Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[MTK]

Hard to hold too much against him for his limited playing time in Miami. He was a rookie on a flat out horrible team.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hard to hold too much against him for his limited playing time in Miami. He was a rookie on a flat out horrible team.

That is true, I'm wanting to see what he's got

[skinsfaninok]

who know's maybe Beck is the next Tony Romo?

[wilsowilso]

After watching NFL highlights of Beck all I gotta say if he is the starter "Welcome to the Redskins Mr. Luck!"

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd love to go after Clausen...would even seriously consider Matt Moore but he may no better than a solid backup

Clausen's situation in many ways is similar to that of John Beck, he never had a realistic opportunity to succeed, goes back to our mini conversation the other day about QB's with potential that often find themselves in the wrong landing spot early in their careers.

In that regard I agree with both you and celts32, given the proper time and situation the guy could flourish but, just judging from last years performance his initial critics are ready to write him off.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Clausen's situation in many ways is similar to that of John Beck, he never had a realistic opportunity to succeed, goes back to our mini conversation the other day about QB's with potential that often find themselves in the wrong landing spot early in their careers.

In that regard I agree with both you and celts32, given the proper time and situation the guy could flourish but, just judging from last years performance his initial critics are ready to write him off.

He still has one believer.

[30gut]

Mike Shanahan is a very good QB developer/mentor/guru or whatever you wanna call it and he's also an egomaniac.

There is no way Mike Shanahan starts a QB he thinks is gonna fail.

And if Kyle screws it up this year I would bet dollars to donuts Mike S. will be more hands on.

Chan Gailey did it with Ryan effing Fitzpatrick, Josh McDaniels did it w/ Kyle Orton.

I believe his rep as a QB guru is on the line.

He will not fail, again.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Mike Shanahan is a very good QB developer/mentor/guru or whatever you wanna call it and he's also an egomaniac.

There is no way Mike Shanahan starts a QB he thinks is gonna fail.

And if Kyle screws it up this year I would bet dollars to donuts Mike S. will be more hands on.

Chan Gailey did it with Ryan effing Fitzpatrick, Josh McDaniels did it w/ Kyle Orton.

I believe his rep as a QB guru is on the line.

He will not fail, again.

Not sure why you call Shanahan a QB developer. None of the QBs that him or Kyle have developed have become anything overly special. I mean take away Elway, and Shanny hasn't won a damn thing with his development projects. I mean this is really borderline pathetic in how we are looking at our "savior" in terms of reality to what he actually has done with Qbs. Mike Shanahan is a decent coach, and I do think he can get us to be a contender, but he is no genius at developing QBs. Orton is a good QB, but not sure he would lead us to a SB, much less John Beck. Same thing with Cutler, above average, but nothing like a Manning or Brady.

[MTK]

Jake Plummer? Brian Griese? Heck even Cutler, all these guys played their best ball with Shanahan. That's not some coincidence.

[GusFrerotte]

I guess the gist of the above post is we need to quit drinking the cool aid with our coaches. We have an above average staff, that is capable, but to say they are gurus, etc is going totally overboard. Post Elway, the Broncos were classic underachievers with all that offensive firepower they had, in the weakest divion in the NFl to boot. Orton and Cutler were from big time college programs and were expected to be NFL caliber QBs. Shanny really didn't do all that much since they had the talent already. Now if he at some point mentored Brady, Manning, or even Big Ben, you could be onto something, but any post Elway QB MS "developed" has been just above average, where is just where they would be if somone else "developed" them.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Jake Plummer? Brian Griese? Heck even Cutler, all these guys played their best ball with Shanahan. That's not some coincidence.

How many SBs do those guys have under Shanny? Also they played their best ball because of the system and how frigging stacked Denver was during that period in the weakest division in the NFL. ALso, look at the quality of guys you have mentioned. All from big schools, so they already had oodles of talent to begin with. Not saying Shanny isn't a QB developer Matty, just saying I don't think he is a guru. His system helps QBs to succeed, but the QBs he had, already had the tools. Now if he had won another SB or two, say with Plummer and was a serious contender for others, then I would go along with you and believe he was a "guru", but to me he just has a good system that is QB friendly.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

How many SBs do those guys have under Shanny? Also they played their best ball because of the system and how frigging stacked Denver was during that period in the weakest division in the NFL. ALso, look at the quality of guys you have mentioned. All from big schools, so they already had oodles of talent to begin with. Not saying Shanny isn't a QB developer Matty, just saying I don't think he is a guru. His system helps QBs to succeed, but the QBs he had, already had the tools. Now if he had won another SB or two, say with Plummer and was a serious contender for others, then I would go along with you and believe he was a "guru", but to me he just has a good system that is QB friendly.

Both Plummer and Griese went to an AFC CHAMP w Shanny. It's hard to win SBs my man. I do agree on Beck though, I'm worried just as much as u are

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The thing I noticed with Beck is that as a rookie, when he got deeper in the game he got happy feet. I do like though that he puts touch on his throws and is able to anticipate routes at this level. However as a rookie he may have been over his head. 2010 preseason aside where he had like a day to learn the offense his preseason play has been pretty good.


Still in his debut he started out strong then started to unravel as he got deeper into the playbook and away from the scripted plays. Personally I kind of want to ride the Beck experiment. Sure it could easily blow up in our face, but the worst that will happen is we get in better position to select a QB next year.

Furthermore I think the plan to win games this year is with tough defense and getting the lineman to perfect the zone scheme we have in place. The line was much better at the end of the year once they gelled. Also have one of the backs develop along with Torrain so we don't have to worry about injuring a playing that could have easily had 1,200 to 1,300 yards if he didn't get injured.

I'll admit, some of those throws are BIG TIME NFL throws. Maybe MS knows something the rest don't

[MTK]

Elway also played some of his best ball with Shanahan. Sure Shanny didn't win SB's without Elway, but vice versa is also true.

And you can't just explain away Plummer and Griese as having stacked teams. That just wasn't the case.

[SmootSmack]

Don't forget Steve Young. He credits Shanahan with really pushing him and turning his career around when he was the OC in San Fran