Let's impeach the president.

[djnemo65]

I am re-retiring from political threads on this site. This thread is 22 pages of bumper sticker slogans that has gone absolutely nowhere.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Why? Cause I practice and preach self responsibility?
You are obviously a democrat...only dems beleive in taking money from the hard workers.

No sense of humor. You must be a republican.
I'm done with this.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I am re-retiring from political threads on this site. This thread is 22 pages of bumper sticker slogans that has gone absolutely nowhere.

As opposed to the non-political threads that have helped solve world hunger and cured all manner of disease. How is this thread any worse than the others?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

As opposed to the non-political threads that have helped solve world hunger and cured all manner of disease. How is this thread any worse than the others?

Um, my standard for a thread is not solving world hunger, but rather, entertaining and/or enlightening me. This thread has done neither. So there you go.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Would you be willing to give your definition of "neo-con"? I'm curious as to what different folks think it means. I first heard the word in 1985 from my 9th grade World History teacher and it seems to have undergone quite an evolution.

Ron Paul defines neo-con best:

YouTube - Neo-CONNED! by Congressman Ron Paul - Part 4 of 11
YouTube - Neo-CONNED! by Congressman Ron Paul - Part 5 of 11
YouTube - Neo-CONNED! by Congressman Ron Paul - Part 6 of 11
YouTube - Neo-CONNED! by Congressman Ron Paul - Part 7 of 11
YouTube - Neo-CONNED! by Congressman Ron Paul - Part 8 of 11
YouTube - Neo-CONNED! by Congressman Ron Paul - Part 9 of 11

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Great videos. Thanks for the links, Saden.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes, we are a divided mess. But we were all agreed to go to this war, some just decided to quit early. The ones that are quitting are dividing the country. Why start something you don't intend to finish?

You are also right that we have a different outlook on life. I firmly beleive in self responsibility and everything in your life, you have attracted to yourself, good or bad.
Do I feel bad for the single mother with 3 kids... well maybe. Are they from the same father? Did the HUSBAND die? Cause if she is just sleeping around and not taking resposibility for her actions, why does that responsibility fall on me and my tax dollars? I have no problem helping a woman that started a family and had a wonderful loving relationship in marriage, then the husband dies and she can't take care of that family. I feel for that. I have NO SYMPATHY what-so-ever for the single mother with 3 kids from different fathers that has never been married. NONE. Does that sound cold? Maybe...but again...I work and bust ass so that my family is taking care of, I shouldn't have to worry about what people with no morals or cares, or the people that have no responsibility are doing. My money should stay with me. I EARNED it, they did not earn my money.

Your money is currently being used to fight a war against a country that did not attack us and has never used terrorists against us. It is also being used to fund tax breaks for the super wealthy, with the added insult that the resultant national debt will have to be paid off by you and your children. It is also true that a catastrophic illness can destroy you economically or kill you because of poor insurance; insurance companies are big contributors to the Republican party. While you're worries about the nickles and dimes that support the poor, you're being robbed by Halliburton and numerous other corporations who have their hands in your pockets. Further, your income is suppressed by non inforcement of anti-trust laws, as well as outsourcing and numerous bought and paid for governmental policies from the middle-ages that are designed to keep wages as low as possible.
Further, schools are terrible in most areas of the country, justice is obtainable only by the rich, your rights are being violated on a daily basis:
you are being spied upon, you are subjected to indefinate detention and torture if the government suspects you of being a terrorist, and your children are cannon fodder or potential cannon fodder while the children of the wealthy are ice skating in the alps.
As a fairly rich man, I can tell you that I have many tax breaks you can only dream about, enjoy the protection of the judicial system you could only enjoy by moving to a country like Sweden, and work only a couple of hours a day. I, in fact, think it both sad and faintly amusing when the middle class starts crying about giving the usual pennies to the welfare state and refers to me as "hard working" and deserving of the many thousands of dollars a year you dump in my pockets and actually believe things like the deficit doesn't really matter or that the Iraq invasion had something to do with democracy or terrorism.
We are in the middle east for power and money, and it's the middle-class and lower classes paying the fright.

[KLHJ2]

Politics are corupt and have been since the beginnigng. No matter who you put into a government office they always will be. Nobody truly knows why we went to war. All anyone can conjure up is their own theory, but not one person can provide substantial proof. You never go to war for one reason, there are a multitude. It wasn't one man that made the decision, it was several. Everybody is just pissed off because we are still there. Well guess what folks? You cannot go into any country on a large scale operation and destroy the whole country without helping to rebuild it. Even after the Civil War the south had to be reconstructed, but the job wasnt ever fully accomplished for nearly a century. However it is expected that we rebuild somebody elses country in a couple of years.

Put aside why we went to Iraq and realize that what we did was already done. Whether or not the reason we did it was justified or not. It is not right to just back out now and leave the country in ruin. Our doing has to be undone. Anything else would be inhumane.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Your money is currently being used to fight a war against a country that did not attack us and has never used terrorists against us.

LOL...you must be a comedian. I suppose Hussien was executed for cussing. If you want to think that Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism, then we really have no need to go on from here. That is laughable. On top of that, once we were in Iraq, there was PLENTY of discoveries about terrorism. How many of the top 100 terrorists were from Iraq by the way? (that's rhetorical)
ps- your democrats agreed with this war too...don't forget that and think just cause Bush is the one that finally pulled the trigger, that he is to blame. You can't go to war by waking up one day and say "Hmmm, I think I'll go to war today" (strategery like)

It is also being used to fund tax breaks for the super wealthy,

OK, I will comment on this one cause it disturbs me that you or anyone feel that the wealthy should be over taxed just cause they are wealthy. It's not right. The wealthy worked for their money (in most cases) so why are they being punished with a 35%+ tax rate when the normal citizens are paying 20% or so? ANy way you try to slice it, it is wrong. It's not right to single out a group of people and over tax them cause "they can afford it".

Also, MY TAXES are not being used to give a tax break to the wealthy, get your facts right. The middle class go a tax BREAK, not a hike.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

We are in the middle east for power and money, and it's the middle-class and lower classes paying the fright.

Oh, I forgot about this one...how is it exactly the lower and middle class are paying the "fright"? They both got tax BREAKS. We are paying less in tax now than when Clinton was in office...so what exactly is your point there?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Politics are corupt and have been since the beginnigng. No matter who you put into a government office they always will be. Nobody truly knows why we went to war. All anyone can conjure up is their own theory, but not one person can provide substantial proof. You never go to war for one reason, there are a multitude. It wasn't one man that made the decision, it was several. Everybody is just pissed off because we are still there. Well guess what folks? You cannot go into any country on a large scale operation and destroy the whole country without helping to rebuild it. Even after the Civil War the south had to be reconstructed, but the job wasnt ever fully accomplished for nearly a century. However it is expected that we rebuild somebody elses country in a couple of years.

Very good points angry.
Also noteworthy is to say, if clinton took care of the issues during his presidency, then the towers would still be up, and we wouldn't be in this mess. But that's what happens when your head is in the sand (or a female section)

Put aside why we went to Iraq and realize that what we did was already done. Whether or not the reason we did it was justified or not. It is not right to just back out now and leave the country in ruin. Our doing has to be undone. Anything else would be inhumane.

100% agreed.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

As a fairly rich man, I can tell you that I have many tax breaks you can only dream about, enjoy the protection of the judicial system you could only enjoy by moving to a country like Sweden, and work only a couple of hours a day.

If you don't like the Bush taxcuts, have your accountant figure up what you would have owed under the old tax regime and send the government a check. Better yet, figure out what you would have owed before JFK cut taxes, when the top rate was 90%. As a fairly poor man I sure would appreciate it and you will sleep better at night and have one less thing to complain about.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Very good points angry.
Also noteworthy is to say, if clinton took care of the issues during his presidency, then the towers would still be up, and we wouldn't be in this mess. But that's what happens when your head is in the sand (or a female section)



100% agreed.

oh, how easy it is to deflect the blame. is that also like saying if senior Bush would have finished what he started in Iraq, 3000 American soldiers would still be alive? and correct me if im wrong, but during Bill Clintons tenure, the republicans controlled congress. they could have done pretty much what they wanted. how is that , tit for tat?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

If you don't like the Bush taxcuts, have your accountant figure up what you would have owed under the old tax regime and send the government a check. Better yet, figure out what you would have owed before JFK cut taxes, when the top rate was 90%. As a fairly poor man I sure would appreciate it and you will sleep better at night and have one less thing to complain about.

ill tell you what. if its that easy, ill send my tax cut money back, if bush brings the troops home. i cant understand why he cant hear the american people calling for the end. he is supposed to be the voice of his people, right?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

oh, how easy it is to deflect the blame. is that also like saying if senior Bush would have finished what he started in Iraq, 3000 American soldiers would still be alive? and correct me if im wrong, but during Bill Clintons tenure, the republicans controlled congress. they could have done pretty much what they wanted. how is that , tit for tat?

SO sn. Bush was wrong for backing out, yet GW gets blasted for not backing out?????? Do dems even have a clue what they really want?

(I'm not deflecting the blame, I say Clinton sucked, and Bush had to clean up the mess...that's not deflection, that's Bush stepping up to the plate.)