Antonio Bryant

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.

I don't know Gibbs?!? OK~ I do know that Gibbs style is not to Curse at his players. He respects them as men and asks them to not disrespect the team. I never heard Bryant having a problem like this in cleveland. I never said Gibbs was soft. do not misconstrue my words.
I think Antonio would benefit greatly in a Gibbs run organization. Bryant has no history of drug problems, or any other problems other than this parcells thing...
So what, he disrespected a team I hate... I'm willing to forgive him for that. There is no reason to believe he will do the same with us period.

I'm just curious how you know that Parcells continously dug into him, cursed at him, belittling him, and degrading him?

[70Chip]

My objection would be to his skills more than his "attitude" or "character" which people seem to be obsessing over lately. If he were any great improvement over Patten, the Browns would not treat him so casually. He is a middle of the road type talent. We could do better.

Having said that, can we back off the whole character thing a bit? First, none of us knows what these players are really like. We know what their images are. Second, there seems to be an impression that Gibbs only wants Choir Boys. I have never seen any evidence of this. Yes, he does want grown men, who show up for work and are self-starters and all the qualities that any employer would want, but at the end of the day its all about performance on the field. I'm not saying Bryant falls into this category, in fact I suspect he is too immature as demonstrated by Parcells. The kid failed that little test. But, I don't believe that the Redskins expect their players to be candidates for sainthood. Its okay to have a personality.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.

if they're you're boss, either quit or deal with it... doing what you're told is why you're getting paid. Acting like a 5 year old isn't ever the answer and there's really no good defense to his actions. It would be entirely possible to ask for a trade without being a moron too.

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Having said that, can we back off the whole character thing a bit? First, none of us knows what these players are really like. We know what their images are. Second, there seems to be an impression that Gibbs only wants Choir Boys. I have never seen any evidence of this. Yes, he does want grown men, who show up for work and are self-starters and all the qualities that any employer would want, but at the end of the day its all about performance on the field. I'm not saying Bryant falls into this category, in fact I suspect he is too immature as demonstrated by Parcells. The kid failed that little test. But, I don't believe that the Redskins expect their players to be candidates for sainthood. Its okay to have a personality.

Gibbs character thing isn't about criminal records and offseason incidents, its sabout the lockerroom and it is real. Part of the reason coles is gone is because he didn't jump to brunell's defense fast enough. Taylor has a lot of off field problems, but he's not calling out teammates, he does what's expected and plays hard. Gibbs just doesn't want negative people and cancers. If you keep a guy like byrant after he starts throwing things at a coach, it lets the players know that s**t like that will be tolerated, and that, of course, is A Bad Thing®.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if they're you're boss, either quit or deal with it... doing what you're told is why you're getting paid. Acting like a 5 year old isn't ever the answer and there's really no good defense to his actions. It would be entirely possible to ask for a trade without being a moron too.

Gibbs character thing isn't about criminal records and offseason incidents, its sabout the lockerroom and it is real. Part of the reason coles is gone is because he didn't jump to brunell's defense fast enough. Taylor has a lot of off field problems, but he's not calling out teammates, he does what's expected and plays hard. Gibbs just doesn't want negative people and cancers. If you keep a guy like byrant after he starts throwing things at a coach, it lets the players know that s**t like that will be tolerated, and that, of course, is A Bad Thing®.

You look at one incident and act like the guy is the Antichrist... GET REAL!! outside of the towel thing name another incident.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.


I don't know Gibbs?!? OK~ I do know that Gibbs style is not to Curse at his players. He respects them as men and asks them to not disrespect the team. I never heard Bryant having a problem like this in cleveland. I never said Gibbs was soft. do not misconstrue my words.
I think Antonio would benefit greatly in a Gibbs run organization. Bryant has no history of drug problems, or any other problems other than this parcells thing...
So what, he disrespected a team I hate... I'm willing to forgive him for that. There is no reason to believe he will do the same with us period.

That is how Parcells weeds out the boys from the men. Dont you remember the Terry Glen issue, when he was asked how Terry practiced, he said "she did ok", now where is Glenn playing. Glen has earned parcells respect after that incident, Brown earned nothing, thats why his ass got shown the door.

[MTK]

There are people that defend TO, so I guess it shouldn't be surprising that someone would defend Bryant.

[wilsowilso]

The problem is this year's free agent crop of wr's is just a joke. It's probably our biggest area of need and that puts us in a real bind. We actually have to debate over the likes of Antonio Bryant and Koren Robinson? Wow that's bad! I say sign Givens away from the Patriots. Even if we have to overpay him a little bit. He is coming from a championship team and he is a good character guy and did I mention his last name isn't Bryant or Robinson. My two cents is that nobody even brings up guys like Bryant and Robinson in the meetings because Joe Gibbs would assume they had been drinking moonshine on the job.

[diehardskin2982]

First: A. Bryant is not my choice for Wide out. I want to draft Martin Nance from the Miami of Ohio. If you don't know who he is look him up. I want Martin to battle with Patten for the 2nd WR spot.

Secondly bryant has consistently gotten better since leaving the cowboys and thats a fact. He' s been there for 2 seasons and we never heard anything negative from him since going to the Browns.

When someone says, "I don't want to get him because the browns are willing to let him go," is weak. We let Pierce go explore the market, was he weak for us? How about for the Giants?

I just hate people rejecting the idea of getting players for weak excuses, like so called attitude . Portis is weird, Springs had a DUI and Taylor has Gun charges.... but they are still on the team. If you can play and produce for the team in a positive manner your a Gibbs Guy.

People listen to the media and think its golden. I worked for a football team and let me tell you, everything isn't what it seems. There is stuff that happens behind closed doors. The media is manipulated to say what the teams want them to say and there are Biast. please evaluate people on talent rather than character because I don't think any of you know these people personally.

lastly, thats what I do play devils advocate :FIREdevil

[Pocket$ $traight]

Bryant would be a better addition than Randle-El and he would be cheaper.

For all of these people who talk about receivers being "cancers" who do you recommend? Show me a good receiver who isn't selfish. In today's league a team has to take chances.

Bryant has shown that he can be a number one and that is all I care about. You aren't going to find a free agent who fits your criteria and will fit in our cap so I say sign a young talent who has the potential to go to the probowl.

[Dirtbag59]

Man this thread didn't blow up in my face at all!!!

[sportscurmudgeon]

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Go and look as the behavior of Mr. Bryant in college at Pitt and in Dallas and in Cleveland. What do you conclude that might predict for his future behavior wherever he might be?

I'll suggest "Pain In The Ass" would be a good guess...

[skin4Life28]

A lot of people are questioning why the Browns are letting him go. Here are a couple reasons: Kellen Winslow will be back and Braylon Edwards is there main threat. He wasn't going to be to much of a factor in there offense or lack there of. No sense in paying a guy a lot of money who isn't going to get that many balls thrown his way. Just a couple things to think about, just don't go jumping the gun assuming hes a cancer and thats why there letting him go.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skin4Life28

A lot of people are questioning why the Browns are letting him go. Here are a couple reasons: Kellen Winslow will be back and Braylon Edwards is there main threat. He wasn't going to be to much of a factor in there offense or lack there of. No sense in paying a guy a lot of money who isn't going to get that many balls thrown his way. Just a couple things to think about, just don't go jumping the gun assuming hes a cancer and thats why there letting him go.

um, there's 2 starting receiver spots, not one it works fine in STL, ARI, IND, OAK, and gives you depth in case of injury. If he's leaving because he wants peyton money than i definately don't want to be the guy signing him for it.

[MTK]

You don't let a "young stud" go just because you have two relatively unproven guys coming back to the lineup, sorry not buying that.

I can't believe we have a 5 page thread going about Antonio Bryant. It must be the offseason.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You don't let a "young stud" go just because you have two relatively unproven guys coming back to the lineup, sorry not buying that.

I can't believe we have a 5 page thread going about Antonio Bryant. It must be the offseason.

We let a "young stud" go last year in pierce. Bryant could possibly be the same situation for the Browns