The Portis move in hindsight

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

You couldn't have made the argument about the D till this year. They were fine with Smoot and Springs. They were okay with Springs and Harris last year and they were better with Springs and Rogers till this year. If they had drafted a defensive guy, he wouldn't have seen the field anyway, because apparently Williams doesn't care how a vet is playing, he won't pull him for a rookie.

Your correct. BUT A GM would have saw this coming. Springs has a history of not staying healthy and it started to catch up with him last year. And it sure caught him this year. So a young corner OR TWO was in need. They got Joe S. off the scrap heap. Wynn was getting and is old. Same for Daniels. Where are the drafted young quality replacements that are being groomed in the system? We don't have any and that's why teams like TB run us over.

[724Skinsfan]

We knew Champ wanted to leave which meant everyone who we would be trading with knew as well. The "other team" had the upper hand in negotiations.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Ok. I agree with you on that. Betts had not shown much. So let Rock C. and Kenny Watson be the back ups. Remember Kenny W? He ran well and so did Rock during the Spurrier years. I just think that you can win with average RB's. But you can't win with a bad defense. You can't hide that. I always believe that you keep the draft picks and stockpile.

So the defense has been bad for the first time since Portis has been here and Betts had one exceptional game and all of the sudden(three years later) getting Portis was a bad move... talk about a knee jerk.

And I can't even comment on a Kenny Watson reference...

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If a real GM was here that person should have told Gibbs that Betts has the ability to be an everydown back, and there was no need to deal for Portis. He's a 2nd rounder and those players should become your starters, not backups. He was a very productive player in college. So IMO another bad move by Gibbs.

Yeah, and that GM would probably be fired considering Betts managed to be injured every year of his career, in spite of the fact that he never even had 100 touches before this season.

[SmootSmack]

Up until this year, coincidentally a contract year, Betts simply hadn't shown the endurance to be a consistent, every down back. Plus as good as he is (or has shown the potential to be) Portis is simply better-he's more explosive, he's a better blocker and he's younger.

[Schneed10]

You need more than one good RB. Rock Cartwright does not qualify.

If we didn't trade for Portis, we would have needed to acquire somebody else to complement Betts. Now, did we need to give up the 2nd round pick in the Portis Bailey deal? I don't really think so.

RBs are like pitching in baseball, you can never have too many.

[12thMan]

Let me throw this out there: If we put Portis on the trading block, can we fetch a first round pick for him?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Let me throw this out there: If we put Portis on the trading block, can we fetch a first round pick for him?

He might be on the block because Betts is now getting paid starter money. He would command more than a 1st rounder. I would trade him for a 1st rounder and a starter. Texans would be a perfect team. Kubiak coached him in Den.

[celts32]

I never liked the trade because I thought we gave up to much by adding a draft pick along with the best CB in the league...but Portis has been a great player for the redskins so it's long overdue to let this debate go.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by celts32

I never liked the trade because I thought we gave up to much by adding a draft pick along with the best CB in the league...but Portis has been a great player for the redskins so it's long overdue to let this debate go.

As it was stated earlier, good point I might add, the pick was kind of a moot point, because Champ was leaving anyway. The second round pick jus ensured that Portis was more or less really coming to D.C.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

As it was stated earlier, good point I might add, the pick was kind of a moot point, because Champ was leaving anyway. The second round pick jus ensured that Portis was more or less really coming to D.C.

Yes, champ was leaving but we did own his rights and could have held out for a more fair trade from Denver or someoen else. When the redskins decide they want something they throw in whatever is necessary to make sure it happens that instant. All of the Redskins problems since Snyder came aboard have involved a general lack of patience. Snyders wants to win yesterday which is what we like most about him but that mindset has been a cloud over the Redskins decision making process.

[SmootSmack]

Golston, Montgomery, Evans, Boschetti...we have some decent young talent.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Golston, Montgomery, Evans, Boschetti...we have some decent young talent.

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

Montgomery is also a rookie, just like Golston. Boschetti is so-so overall, I agree. I like Evans, in the right situations I think he can do and does do pretty good.

The point is we do have young linemen that we can develop. I agree though that we need another stud in the middle, not quite a superstar but close to it.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...