What are we going to do at DE?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

No, I think you're just jumping into the middle of a conversation that has been going on for a couple days / several threads / and even some PM's. We both feel that we need a DL or DE. I'm just saying that if we are going to be dumb and take something other than that, at least take someone like Quinn. It's dumb, but it's less dumb than taking a WR.
Okoye needs to be our guy...only if Adams is gone.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

First of all, I am not saying that Campbell is bad. Second, you always take the best available player, we could always trade him. Third look at Joe Gibbs's draft history. He took a QB in the draft every two years during his first tenure as head coach. He is due to draft another. Fourth, Joe firmly believes in not passing up on a first round caliber QB.

We are only saying that if he is still available at six, take him, trade the pick or draft for need.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

sorry for jumping the gun on you guys. It actually doesnt seem that bad once I got my initial reaction out of the way and thouight about it. I mean I still wouldnt do it because we need help on D like there is no tomorow, but I see possibility in taking him, we can trade him for alot, or if we like him we could possibly trade campbell for alot (once again, Im not saying I want to do this, Im just saying that it is a risky move that might pay off in the long run)

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

sorry for jumping the gun on you guys. It actually doesnt seem that bad once I got my initial reaction out of the way and thouight about it. I mean I still wouldnt do it because we need help on D like there is no tomorow, but I see possibility in taking him, we can trade him for alot, or if we like him we could possibly trade campbell for alot (once again, Im not saying I want to do this, Im just saying that it is a risky move that might pay off in the long run)

That, and the fact that if Campbell doesn't work out...well, we're just skrewed. We have no viable back up plan. No, Brunell and whats his name aren't good back up plans.

[jsarno]

Just because I know you're interested...here are our last 17 years worth of QB draft picks:
05- Jason Campbell (1st round)
03- Gilbran Hamden (7th round)
02- Patrick Ramsey (1st round)
01- Sage Rosenfels (4th round)
00- Todd Husak (6th round)
94- Heath Shuler (1st round)
94- Gus Frerotte (7th round)
92- Chris Hackel (4th round)
90- Cary Conklin (4th round)

Minus Jason Campbell (cause he hasn't had time to show himself), what do all these picks have in common...Oh yeah...THEY SUCKED! Oddly enough, after our Super Bowl win in 91, we haven't had a really solid QB, and the ONE we did, we got rid of (Brad Johnson). So I think the fact that we had our worst years during 92-06 is because we haven't drafted a good QB, or got a good QB to lead us.

[hooskins]

We are gonna do your mom!

[themightyjoegibbs]

G.Adams has to be the primary focus.

Is anyone else going insane when they hear we are shopping for C.Johnson,
J.Russell, or Landry?? B/C to me that summarizes the Redskin frustration. We have needs that need to be met to be competitive, but Danny-boy does these interviews totally off track.

There is only a limited amount of logical choices. All of them include drafting a DT or DE. I hope they send the right message to the team (for once), staff, and fans in getting talented guys to fill roles. Its no longer impressive to me how we spend so much money. Yes money is valuable and hard to come by but when we buy Archuletta and come off a greater successful season by changing the offense and take setbacks is horrible (as in '06). This team loves aged near retired veterans and uses history to promise false futures is getting old.

I just hope we take the Ravens approach to the draft and take needs rather wants. They needed a run stuffer last year and they were blessed with Ngata. This years draft will not solve all the problems. Next year could get us back on track to replacing old ineffective D-Lineman . But Danny is surely using his bank account to reach minimal standards as his resume repeats.

The frustration of a Skins fan is parallel to no other franchise in sports. The epitome of disappointment and embarrassment.

Hail.

[themightyjoegibbs]

Yeah, D-Line and only D-line.We have to get through this draft and make it fill our immediate needs. Next year we can use that time to get ahead of teams but years of poor FA and sad drafts really are holding this franchise back. Every team but us in the division is preparing for the future w/ the draft. They just have the depth of players that we don't, that is what will sustain a club as last years horrible season shows. Daniels/Wynn's mobility to DE/DT will be the key for this season b/c I could see both of them retiring afterwards. G.Williams systems depends on versatility. We could somehow make it work. The question is if both Adams/Landry are on the table at 6 do we think we can replace either one in next years draft. I think so. Go D-lineman. The team will do the rest b/c it proves the gameplan is on track to improve.

[budw38]

If coach really thinks that there are no rookies that can start on this team he is nuts !!! 5 or six of the DE's could get more sacks in two games than Danials & wynn ever could . At least 5 WR's are better than Loyd , and I find it hard to believe that not 1 DB could crack our starting lineup . Willis and Puslunski could probably start and be an upgrade . I guess if SF offers us a first rd pick for Danials or Salave we will turn it down because Anderson / Carriker could not make the team < or have to ride the pine > .

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by budw38

If coach really thinks that there are no rookies that can start on this team he is nuts !!! 5 or six of the DE's could get more sacks in two games than Danials & wynn ever could . At least 5 WR's are better than Loyd , and I find it hard to believe that not 1 DB could crack our starting lineup . Willis and Puslunski could probably start and be an upgrade . I guess if SF offers us a first rd pick for Danials or Salave we will turn it down because Anderson / Carriker could not make the team < or have to ride the pine > .

When are we as collective Skins fans going to realize that Gibbs lies? He lied about why he left for NASCAR (citing that his kid kissed him and he noticed a beard so he needed to spend more time with family and fewer hours in the office...18 hours a day in NASCAR is not it...although you can twist that since he had a some there), he lied about Ramsey being the man, just to turn it over to Brunell, he is lieing about not being able to get a "starter". Maybe using the term LIE is too harsh, but the point remains the same. He plays his own game, and sends smoke screens whenever he can to make things seem better than they are. He'd be the type to say we need to focus on DE, then take a QB first pick. Don't get me wrong, I like Gibbs, but he will say what he needs to so he can achieve the results he wants.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by budw38

At least 5 WR's are better than Loyd

It frustrates me to see this from people. Lloyd is a VERY GOOD wr. You have to have the ball thrown to you to make an impact. He was not used in the system and therefore no production. WR is unlike many position on the field because you are only successful if someone helps you out (QB). You are completely reliant on the QB. The man is very talented.
Trust me, if CJ goes to a crappy team with a crappy qb and gets thrown to at max twice a game...he'll be lucky to register 20 receptions, then everyone here will say, wow, he has no talent, he was overhyped. It's all about opportunity.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It frustrates me to see this from people. Lloyd is a VERY GOOD wr. You have to have the ball thrown to you to make an impact. He was not used in the system and therefore no production. WR is unlike many position on the field because you are only successful if someone helps you out (QB). You are completely reliant on the QB. The man is very talented.
Trust me, if CJ goes to a crappy team with a crappy qb and gets thrown to at max twice a game...he'll be lucky to register 20 receptions, then everyone here will say, wow, he has no talent, he was overhyped. It's all about opportunity.

I never said he was not good or lacked talent . I was pointing out Gibbs comment that no rookie could crack our starting lineup . If T. Ginn Jr. is on the board at 32 , and the Colts offer me that pick for Loyd ,,, I make that pick. Same goes for Rocky , if Willis is on the board , and a team offers me the pick ,,, I make the trade . I was just making the point that many of these rookies are talented enough to contribute or start . I just hope we grab some extra picks , draft some DL-men and an OL men , because before we know it Samuels / Jansen / Thomas ....// Wynn / Danials / griffen / Salavae will be retired . And Fletcher , Washington are not so young either .

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by budw38

I never said he was not good or lacked talent . I was pointing out Gibbs comment that no rookie could crack our starting lineup . If T. Ginn Jr. is on the board at 32 , and the Colts offer me that pick for Loyd ,,, I make that pick. Same goes for Rocky , if Willis is on the board , and a team offers me the pick ,,, I make the trade . I was just making the point that many of these rookies are talented enough to contribute or start . I just hope we grab some extra picks , draft some DL-men and an OL men , because before we know it Samuels / Jansen / Thomas ....// Wynn / Danials / griffen / Salavae will be retired . And Fletcher , Washington are not so young either .

Alright...I apologize for jumping all over you. I'm just tired of hearing that Brandon Lloyd is not good and we need a WR. We don't. We just need our QB to produce. Something we haven't really seen since Brad Johnson.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Alright...I apologize for jumping all over you. I'm just tired of hearing that Brandon Lloyd is not good and we need a WR. We don't. We just need our QB to produce. Something we haven't really seen since Brad Johnson.

Yeah, what you said! I am tired of a underachieving offense due to lack of solid QB play.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Alright...I apologize for jumping all over you. I'm just tired of hearing that Brandon Lloyd is not good and we need a WR. We don't. We just need our QB to produce. Something we haven't really seen since Brad Johnson.

JSarno , np . I was only pointing out that a # of rookies can start , and I think Gibbs made an inaccurate statement in regards to the draft . Lets face it , most teams have two or three players that can be beaten out by a talented rookie . Not that is a big deal , but I never said B Loyd should be replaced .