Brady's going to take a cheap one someday

[rickmmrr]

BB must be ragging his players before every game. "They think we only win because we cheat." Him and his players are out to prove otherwise.

I'm just glad that if they do go all the way this year the footnote will be.
"Patriots win superbowl the same year they were caught cheating"

[redsk1]

One of the supporting arguments for the "its not running up the score" viewpoint, is hey in baseball do you stop hitting when its 12-1. Well in baseball you don't stop hitting but if you steal a base or tag up for a close play at the plate, you are going to get plunked the next time when you come up to bat. So yes baseball is self-policing.

This is not to say that someone should take a cheapshot on Brady, b/c they shouldn't imo. However i wouldn't be suprised to see a "late hit" on Brady sometime soon.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Daseal

How ironic, people calling Bill Bellichick classless on this forum, and a majority seem to be for the Pats star player getting injured. Stay classy, San Diego.

I'm with davy on this. This is pro football, not pee wee.

There's definitely some irony there. But isn't there irony in people on the one hand saying "this is a grown man's hard-hitting sport where class does not apply and you shouldn't care about your opponents well-being" and on the other hand saying "it's not nice or classy to try to put some hurt on an opponent, regardless of whether it is in violation of the rules?"

I would like to say that I turn the other cheek, but I usually do not. I usually am going to try to take both of your eyes if you take one of mine. If someone tries to make themselves look good at my expense and knows they are going to humiliate me, I am going to do my best to make sure they never want to do that again. Hubris is a b---h.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Then maybe the Pats should start palying like it is. I am not against them trying to score, but to say it is not cheap is a stretch. So is a late hit on the star player of the team.

My logic is, if Brady is in the game acting like it is a normal game (when they are up by a bunch) and trying to score, fine. Brady or any other QB coud get a late hit in any game whether behind or leading by 4 touchdowns. If he gets hit, no one should complain. I am not sure that he will but we will have to wait and see.

I'm confused with what you're trying to say here. I also have no problem with them scoring, If we're not going to stop them, make us into an example. These guys get paid millions, have escalator clauses, and in the words of Pat Kirwan, "Points scored is on the playoff tie breaker list somewhere, rack em' up." If Brady happens to take a hit and gets injured, that's part of the game. If teams are behind and want to go blitz happy, I'm all for it. What I'm not for is taking a cheap shot on any player in the NFL.

[SmootSmack]

Real justice would be if the Patriots do it to themselves. Something like one of the lineman falling backwards on Brady's ankle

[Daseal]

SGG, they're out there playing football. That's on a much different level than trying to intentionally hurt a player. Do I care about the other teams mental well being? Hell no. I want their spirit broken going into half time. I want that team to lay down and die every game. And to be completely honest, I'd be MORE embarrassed if another team put their backups in. To me that's more of a slap in the face than anything. If in the 3rd quarter another team is tossing in backups, that's saying you guys are so bad we don't even need our starters in there.

If you want to get to brady and hit him, fine. I was for that too. However, wishing for injury is really about the most classless thing you can do. If I had my way, every roster would have every player on their roster stay healthy. Not only would it make NFL competition better, my fantasy teams wouldn't blow this year!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Daseal

What I'm not for is taking a cheap shot on any player in the NFL.

Obviously, I can respect that position. I guess I didn't want to see a Redskin seriously injure the guy so much as I wanted to see someone just hit him very, very, very hard. I also would not have cared if Brady just happened to suffer an injury.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

There's definitely some irony there. But isn't there irony in people on the one hand saying "this is a grown man's hard-hitting sport where class does not apply and you shouldn't care about your opponents well-being" and on the other hand saying "it's not nice or classy to try to put some hurt on an opponent, regardless of whether it is in violation of the rules?"

I would like to say that I turn the other cheek, but I usually do not. I usually am going to try to take both of your eyes if you take one of mine. If someone tries to make themselves look good at my expense and knows they are going to humiliate me, I am going to do my best to make sure they never want to do that again. Hubris is a b---h.

Well said Sheriff! I stand by my belief that it was classless of the Pats to run up the score, but I also believe it is equally classless to intentionally hurt the guy. However, like SS said, if one of his offensive linemen happen to roll up his leg or something, then well....better luck next time is all I say...lol!

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm confused with what you're trying to say here. I also have no problem with them scoring, If we're not going to stop them, make us into an example. These guys get paid millions, have escalator clauses, and in the words of Pat Kirwan, "Points scored is on the playoff tie breaker list somewhere, rack em' up." If Brady happens to take a hit and gets injured, that's part of the game. If teams are behind and want to go blitz happy, I'm all for it. What I'm not for is taking a cheap shot on any player in the NFL.

I am with you, but define cheap. I mean a player could hit a QB late and it happens alot. But now if it happens to Brady after throwing in a game where they are leading by a good margin, is that cheap? Who are we to determine what was the intent of the defensive player? Now, going low maybe a cheap shot, a late hit is simply a late hit and 15 yards.

[skinsfan69]

I'm curious to know if anyone here has ever played football at the HS or college level. If you have then I would bet that most had no problem with what went down last Sun. Most of the former players I have heard on TV/radio are killing the Redskins. Some have taken the other side like Steve Young. But the majority have all said play better and I would bet that most former and current players would have a huge problem with a teammate or opponent trying to take someone out on purpose cause the score was out of hand. Get mad and do something about.

If Ohio State schedules a D2 school and they are winning 63-0 in the 4th q then you call off the dogs. In that situation you have a serious mismatch in physical talent. In the NFL ( IMO) it's fair game because you are getting a check to play. You are paid to play and you are paid to get yourself prepared to play and that's a huge huge difference. If you can't cover a Pats defensive player who comes in to play offense and he runs the same play everytime he comes in the game then you are not prepared to play IMO.

The thought of going after someone's knee or trying to take someone out on purpose just cause you are getting killed is absurd. I'm almost shocked that Cowher even said something like that. But lets say it does happen. I would bet that Goddell would come down real real hard on someone and that is why it probably won't happen. When game checks are involved and you have a hard ass commish then guys are going to think twice. Look at what he did do Haysworth on Tenn (sp) last year.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm curious to know if anyone here has ever played football at the HS or college level. If you have then I would bet that most had no problem with what went down last Sun. Most of the former players I have heard on TV/radio are killing the Redskins. Some have taken the other side like Steve Young. But the majority have all said play better and I would bet that most former and current players would have a huge problem with a teammate or opponent trying to take someone out on purpose cause the score was out of hand. Get mad and do something about.

If Ohio State schedules a D2 school and they are winning 63-0 in the 4th q then you call off the dogs. In that situation you have a serious mismatch in physical talent. In the NFL ( IMO) it's fair game because you are getting a check to play. You are paid to play and you are paid to get yourself prepared to play and that's a huge huge difference. If you can't cover a Pats defensive player who comes in to play offense and he runs the same play everytime he comes in the game then you are not prepared to play IMO.

The thought of going after someone's knee or trying to take someone out on purpose just cause you are getting killed is absurd. I'm almost shocked that Cowher even said something like that. But lets say it does happen. I would bet that Goddell would come down real real hard on someone and that is why it probably won't happen. When game checks are involved and you have a hard ass commish then guys are going to think twice. Look at what he did do Haysworth on Tenn (sp) last year.

I played through high school and cannot ever remember trying to keep the score down. We wanted to score on every position.

[redsk1]

There is something called sportsmanship. You know that thing that parents teach their kids when you first start playing sports. I don't care if you are a professional and get paid billions of dollars to do what you do. Does that change your personal ethics? It shouldn't. I'm not saying the other team shouldn't try to execute their plays but there is a difference b/n that and going for it on 4th down to try to score a touchdown. Where has all of the sportsmanship gone? Does it not exist if you are getting paid to play? Explain that to your kids.

There is a thing called winning w/ class.

[MTK]

I guess it depends on what kind of coach you had. In high school we always pulled starters and eased up if a game was out of hand.

Personally I'm just tired of talking about it. There are strong opinions on either side. I don't think there's a definitive right or wrong answer here. It all depends on your personal view of sportsmanship.

[BDBohnzie]

It seems to me this is going to escalate back into another "Classless Belicheck" thread...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by redsk1

There is something called sportsmanship. You know that thing that parents teach their kids when you first start playing sports. I don't care if you are a professional and get paid billions of dollars to do what you do. Does that change your personal ethics? It shouldn't. I'm not saying the other team shouldn't try to execute their plays but there is a difference b/n that and going for it on 4th down to try to score a touchdown. Where has all of the sportsmanship gone? Does it not exist if you are getting paid to play? Explain that to your kids.

There is a thing called winning w/ class.

They won with class I did not see them take any cheap shots, taunt us when they scored or any of that. Before the game players greeted each other and after the game they shook hands and parted ways.