Mattyk72 presents: The Warpath Zornometer Poll™

[Soup's Uncle]

I gave him a 5. So far I love everything he is doing. Gotta go with a 5. Now that could change rapidly in the coming weeks.

[Hog1]

All I can say is...........Vinny, Dan.............did you really hit the Powerball with this one?

[Schneed10]

I refuse to give him anything other than a 3.

If you've held two weeks of training camp and you've coached in one preseason game, you haven't done SHIT. Any coach can look good doing that stuff (remember how we felt about Spurrier after his preseason performance?) The reason I have to give him a 3 is actually embedded in Matty's opening post in this thread, it's way too early to rate him at all. 3's neutral, so I give him a 3.

Ask me after week 8 of the NFL season and I'll give a very thoughtful response.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I refuse to give him anything other than a 3.

If you've held two weeks of training camp and you've coached in one preseason game, you haven't done SHIT. Any coach can look good doing that stuff (remember how we felt about Spurrier after his preseason performance?) The reason I have to give him a 3 is actually embedded in Matty's opening post in this thread, it's way too early to rate him at all. 3's neutral, so I give him a 3.

Ask me after week 8 of the NFL season and I'll give a very thoughtful response.

If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all?

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all?

Because you put a poll up asking for an opinion. And I'm a blowhard who can't keep his opinion to himself!

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.

On this point I totally agree. The major difference is Zorn has actually coached in the NFL (for a long time, under one of the best head coaches). I like the decisions he and Vinny have made in the offseason. He seems totally organized and totally in charge of the team. He's played QB in the NFL (rather successfully) so I don't think he'll get flustered in pressure situations. I can see him being very successful.

But one of the best coaches the NFL has ever seen came back to the game in 2004, and my confidence level was at a 10 out of 5. And we were not good in the first season.

Granted, we're more talented now, and deeper. So I'm hopeful. But if Joe Gibbs goes 6-10 in his first year, I'm hesitant to get too excited about Jim Zorn until I see more from him. Seeing will be believing for me.

I'm optimistic, but guarded.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all?

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.

Well, a huge difference between Zorn and Spurrier (apart from the mass influx of Gators) is the support staff that Zorn has. A lot of people kept dismissing Snyder and Cerrato's talk of consistency but it really can't be overlooked how much of the staff was retained; veteran coaches who have been not only in the NFL, but with the Redskins for several years so they knew the culture and expectations at Redskins Park. The presence of guys like Bugel, Blache, Gray, and Hixon I believe really has helped Zorn make the transition. That's a benefit that Spurrier did not have, largely by his own choosing though.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, a huge difference between Zorn and Spurrier (apart from the mass influx of Gators) is the support staff that Zorn has. A lot of people kept dismissing Snyder and Cerrato's talk of consistency but it really can't be overlooked how much of the staff was retained; veteran coaches who have been not only in the NFL, but with the Redskins for several years so they knew the culture and expectations at Redskins Park. The presence of guys like Bugel, Blache, Gray, and Hixon I believe really has helped Zorn make the transition. That's a benefit that Spurrier did not have, largely by his own choosing though.

good point

[BDBohnzie]

3 for reasons given above...

[Schneed10]

I can see a scenario here where the Redskins are very successful this season, and the Cowboys are the reason why (seems wierd to say that).

But Bill Parcells spent four years in Dallas building that team, putting a strong staff together, instilling a winning attitude, acquiring talent and depth, and establishing a strong work ethic. He made his mark, and Wade Phillips (who's OK as a coach) came in and just kept the team on the same course. The Cowboys did very well, winning the division. I do think they would have beaten the Giants in the playoffs if they had Parcells at the helm instead of Phillips. But Phillips was enough to keep them on track Parcells set them on. Parcells deserves major credit for their season last year.

I can see something similar happening with us. Gibbs put together a strong coaching staff which Zorn has largely kept. We still have Bugel coaching the line, we still have all the defensive coaches (save for GW), we still have several offensive assistants. We're keeping the same run game which Gibbs, Bugel, Portis and the line have established. The defensive scheme is not changing. Under Gibbs, it's obvious the team learned how to work, and you saw how they learned to fight to the bitter end (December record). They built character, bad seeds are no longer part of this locker room. I can see Zorn, like Phillips, guiding this team to a lot of success this season. If that's the case though, I'm going to give Zorn his due, no doubt. But a lot of the credit would have to go back to Joe Gibbs. He built this team, it's his foundation, he put it back on the map.

If Zorn's really good, he'll take us further than Gibbs did and continue the growth. Hopefully he can do something to differentiate himself from Wade Phillips.

[Paintrain]

I voted 4. I think he's going to be a very solid coach for us for a good while..

[GhettoDogAllStars]

So many people have given Zorn a high rating, because he's done nothing to show otherwise. I guess my line of reasoning is the opposite. I start low and go high. So I started at 1, and since I have liked what I've seen so far, he's moved up to 2. I can't give him total confidence, simply because he has almost no experience. I agree with Saden: confidence is earned.

I'd really like to give him more, but he's only coached and/or called plays for a single game -- and it was preseason. I have a great feeling about him, but I don't think that translates into confidence yet.

[hurrykaine]

Gave him a 4 for now - Mods, please re-administer this poll after the opener against the Giants. If we can get at least 2 offensive TDs in that game (irrespective of the result), I will stand by my 4. To score 2 TDs up there against a tough defense in a big-game environment tells me his coaching of the offense is above average.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Gave him a 4 for now - Mods, please re-administer this poll after the opener against the Giants. If we can get at least 2 offensive TDs in that game (irrespective of the result), I will stand by my 4. To score 2 TDs up there against a tough defense in a big-game environment tells me his coaching of the offense is above average.

Don't worry the Zornometer Poll™ is going to be a regular occurrence here to take the temperature of the Skins fan base.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Don't worry the Zornometer Poll™ is going to be a regular occurrence here to take the temperature of the Skins fan base.

Yeah, let's see if this is delivered as consistently as BrudLee's Weekly Power Poll

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Gave him a 4 for now - Mods, please re-administer this poll after the opener against the Giants. If we can get at least 2 offensive TDs in that game (irrespective of the result), I will stand by my 4. To score 2 TDs up there against a tough defense in a big-game environment tells me his coaching of the offense is above average.

Love quoting myself. Offense struggled bad and his playcalling blew. Wtf was that at the end with all the runs and no no-huddle with 3:something to go?! Dude gets a 1. He was a 4 after the Indy game, a 4 after the Buffalo game, a 3 after the Jets game, a 1 after the Carolina and Jackassville games, and is still at a 1.