Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon

jsarno · 08-06-2008, 01:02 PM

My image of Brett has already changed.

Hog1 · 08-06-2008, 01:16 PM

12m v 2m.............
Mr. Gruden, Brett on line 2

hesscl34 · 08-06-2008, 01:18 PM

For The Love Of God, Make It Stop!!!!

skinsfan69 · 08-06-2008, 01:21 PM

If one more person talks about tarnishing a legacy I'm simply going to throw up my lunch. Everone is to blame here. At this point of his career it doesn't seem like Farve wants to do any of the off season stuff and GB mgt are scared of him. This whole thing sucks. I just hope it ends today so the sports world can move on. But TB is just an average football team.....with or w/out Farve.

jsarno · 08-06-2008, 01:36 PM

I guess tarnishing a legacy is a point of view. Some have short or maybe even weak memories, so they only remember the good. However, there are plenty of people that didn't forget how Elway screwed the Colts, or how JD Drew screwed Philadelphia etc. There are plenty of instances out there that changed the opinion in peoples minds of these athletes. For others it doesn't matter.
To me, this is not a case of player who still feels he can play and the team doesn't so he's cut loose. This is an ugly divorce with both sides throwing punches, but Favre is the one that has gone back on his word several times. It's just ugly, and it has indeed changed my opinion of him.
No, that does not take away the fact he's a HOFer, but it does tarnish his legacy in my mind, and I am sure several other minds.

SmootSmack · 08-06-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I guess tarnishing a legacy is a point of view. Some have short or maybe even weak memories, so they only remember the good. However, there are plenty of people that didn't forget how Elway screwed the Colts, or how JD Drew screwed Philadelphia etc. There are plenty of instances out there that changed the opinion in peoples minds of these athletes. For others it doesn't matter.
To me, this is not a case of player who still feels he can play and the team doesn't so he's cut loose. This is an ugly divorce with both sides throwing punches, but Favre is the one that has gone back on his word several times. It's just ugly, and it has indeed changed my opinion of him.
No, that does not take away the fact he's a HOFer, but it does tarnish his legacy in my mind, and I am sure several other minds.

I don't see how looking at the entire scope of a player's career beyond just his final year or two constitutes having a short or weak memory.

jsarno · 08-06-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't see how looking at the entire scope of a player's career beyond just his final year or two constitutes having a short or weak memory.

Most people do forget those things until it's brought up. It's human nature.

Ruhskins · 08-06-2008, 01:39 PM

I know this is getting old, but I'd rather hear 10 stories about Favre, than one story about baseball in the DC/Baltimore area.

Soup's Uncle · 08-06-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I know this is getting old, but I'd rather hear 10 stories about Favre, than one story about baseball in the DC/Baltimore area.

Agreed

MTK · 08-06-2008, 01:53 PM

How about Gibbs' second stint? Did that tarnish his legacy? His bust is still in Canton from what I saw.

jsarno · 08-06-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about Gibbs' second stint? Did that tarnish his legacy? His bust is still in Canton from what I saw.

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

LMsexyAO · 08-06-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

You have to take into account what team he took over in 2004 when he came here. As far as I'm concerned he took as out of the dark ages since now we can discuss making the playoffs as a benchmark/realistic goal for Zorn.

Plus, look at the guys Gibbs brought here, look at this draft picks -- essentially the reason why we are able to compete again in the NFC East.

I would even say that Gibbs presence calmed down Dan Synder TREMENDOUSLY. He learned he could put trust in other people and that he didn't have to have his hand in every move the organization made.

I think in the long term Gibbs legacy will be bringing respectability back to the Redskins, while he certainly wasn't as dominating as during his first stint, he definitely showed why he belongs in the HOF.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 08-06-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

Tactically it may tarnish his image slightly. But don't forget the evolution of the Air Coryell offense into what it is today is largely because of Gibbs.

Overall, absolutely not. Keep in mind the sorry state of the Redskins franchise before he came back. 2 playoff appearances in the last 3 years ain't bad, when we were pretty much a punchline for a few years. I think the lasting effect will be Snyder learning true leadership at the foot of Joe Gibbs and IMO it will translate into SB hardware sooner rather than later.

MTK · 08-06-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

Seems a little myopic to judge him on winning % alone or one critical mistake (I thought he made up for that with the challenge against the Vikings for too many men on the field) but that's your opinion.

To me there's a much bigger picture to look at as far as his impact on the organization and his guidance through the Taylor tragedy.

sandtrapjack · 08-06-2008, 01:55 PM

Better them though.

Look at it in this light, with the Favre saga in Green Bay, Stephen Jackson holding out, Westbrook and Burress demanding new contracts. Shockey traded to the Saints, Steve Smith beating people up, Javon Walker mugged in Vegas, brandon Marshall and a few others getting suspended......and the list goes on across the NFL.

Are you not glad that all the Redskin players are in camp, under contract, happy and playing football?

08-06-2008, 01:02 PM	#1
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Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon 12m v 2m............. Mr. Gruden, Brett on line 2 __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

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hesscl34 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 2,782	Re: Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon For The Love Of God, Make It Stop!!!!

08-06-2008, 01:21 PM	#4
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon If one more person talks about tarnishing a legacy I'm simply going to throw up my lunch. Everone is to blame here. At this point of his career it doesn't seem like Farve wants to do any of the off season stuff and GB mgt are scared of him. This whole thing sucks. I just hope it ends today so the sports world can move on. But TB is just an average football team.....with or w/out Farve.

08-06-2008, 01:36 PM	#5
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	Re: Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon I guess tarnishing a legacy is a point of view. Some have short or maybe even weak memories, so they only remember the good. However, there are plenty of people that didn't forget how Elway screwed the Colts, or how JD Drew screwed Philadelphia etc. There are plenty of instances out there that changed the opinion in peoples minds of these athletes. For others it doesn't matter. To me, this is not a case of player who still feels he can play and the team doesn't so he's cut loose. This is an ugly divorce with both sides throwing punches, but Favre is the one that has gone back on his word several times. It's just ugly, and it has indeed changed my opinion of him. No, that does not take away the fact he's a HOFer, but it does tarnish his legacy in my mind, and I am sure several other minds. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

08-06-2008, 01:39 PM	#8
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,378	Re: Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon I know this is getting old, but I'd rather hear 10 stories about Favre, than one story about baseball in the DC/Baltimore area. __________________ R.I.P. #21

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MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon How about Gibbs' second stint? Did that tarnish his legacy? His bust is still in Canton from what I saw. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-06-2008, 01:55 PM	#15
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: Tampa Tribune Reports Favre Could Be Traded To Bucs Soon Better them though. Look at it in this light, with the Favre saga in Green Bay, Stephen Jackson holding out, Westbrook and Burress demanding new contracts. Shockey traded to the Saints, Steve Smith beating people up, Javon Walker mugged in Vegas, brandon Marshall and a few others getting suspended......and the list goes on across the NFL. Are you not glad that all the Redskin players are in camp, under contract, happy and playing football?

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