Shawn Springs on ESPN980 now

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

would be nice to do what you said, but its my understanding we can't really restructure contracts this year because of the CBA ending. Anyone have more details on this?

We can restructure contract as long as we adhere to the stricter more specific rules regarding the last capped year.

It may seem like there would be no penalty for extending Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, etc and pushing their deferred signing bonuses into non-capped years, which is totally legal, actually, but in the event that there would ever be a cap again, we would be so unbelievably screwed if we did that.

**Now that I think about it, I think there is a stipulation that would prevent us from doing exactly this. If we guarenteed the entire 2009 salary, this would be legal. If we didn't, the entire prorated SB would hit us in 2009. Which wouldn't change much financially, except the cap number hits an obscenely high mark.

Basically, if we want room to wheel and deal this offseason, we'll have to release some potentially helpful vets to free up money.

[horse]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I didn't bother to listen. More blah, blah, blah sportstalk garbage. The NFL is a business, I don't care who's "unhappy", money talks. Isn't Lance Briggs still with the Bears and Chad Johnson still with the Bengals?

Want to find out who will be back or not look at the drop-down under "Team Info" and go to Salary Cap info, then at the bottom tabs "Release Fees":

Springs - unless he massively restructures, which he's been hesitant to do on the past, Gone. Cap savings $ 6M. Can't stay healthy, has medical issues with family, smart guy with potential after football.

Jason Taylor - Gone. Cap savings $ 8.5M. Who needs a washed up DE for that kind of money?

Carlos Rogers - going nowhere unless a monster trade is offered for him. Cap HIT $ 1.4M to release or trade. Solid CB, who if he didn't play with boxing gloves on would be a borderline Pro Bowl CB.

D. Hall - Currently unsigned, just depends on where the market goes for him. He's a regional guy (VT) so we may have a slight advantage, but don't overpay or load him with a huge signing bonus. He has shown in the past he can be a very negative influence in the locker room. If he isn't motivated his level of play drops dramatically.

Marcus Washington - Probably gone. Cap savings $ 4.5M. Injury issues, getting "long in the tooth".

Philip Daniels - Gone. Cap savings $ 2.2M

Casey Rabach - Probably gone unless he restructures, if we can find a better solution at C. Cap Savings $ 2.35M

Returning: Samuels, Jansen, Moss, Carter ARE, Portis, Cooley, R. Thomas, Fletcher, Betts

If LOS can catch he's borderline? Most of this season he's been borderline probowler, I like the kid and he improves every year he was playing well last year when he got hurt against new england. I think the talk of him leaving is stupid. Why pay so much for springs to play 8 gms. When you can pay Los and Hall less, their much younger and very talented. Hall can teach Los how to catch and we'll be very young and set in the secondary with Landry and Horton for a long time.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by horse

If LOS can catch he's borderline? Most of this season he's been borderline probowler, I like the kid and he improves every year he was playing well last year when he got hurt against new england. I think the talk of him leaving is stupid. Why pay so much for springs to play 8 gms. When you can pay Los and Hall less, their much younger and very talented. Hall can teach Los how to catch and we'll be very young and set in the secondary with Landry and Horton for a long time.

I totally agree, we have an area set, let's leave it alone and focus on the lines.

[SmootSmack]

I've got no problem with anything Springs said.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've got no problem with anything Springs said.

Atleast he saying the same things we are saying about the lines. Maybe they might draft some lineman( for once). How would you like to be a player on the team and have the same holes not being addressed year in year out.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've got no problem with anything Springs said.

Same.. how can you be completely positive at the moment? I'd rather not be lied to.

[celts32]

I don't think what Springs said today is in any way comparible to the spouting that Portis has been doing. That said all these radio interviews are starting to give off the impression that Zorn has lost control of this team. Who knows if that is true or not but I really think he needs to take control and put a stop to this.

I think the most critical thing Springs said was actually directed at Zorn...he said the team failed to come together down the stretch as it had under Gibbs. That is pretty much a direct shot at Zorn as a leader. It seems like Zorn has some work to do to get this team on the same page again.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

I think the most critical thing Springs said was actually directed at Zorn...he said the team failed to come together down the stretch as it had under Gibbs. That is pretty much a direct shot at Zorn as a leader. It seems like Zorn has some work to do to get this team on the same page again.

Excellent point and well-said. I don't think Springs meant for it to be a "shot" in a hostile way. he was being very PC in how he said it, but what he said clearly makes it seems like its Zorns fault. Its the job of a head coach to lead a team. If the team doesnt come together, the coach has failed at his job.

[GTripp0012]

I don't think the fact (actually, common opinion, but we'll roll with it) that Zorn, in his first year on the job, failed to control the locker room in the way that Joe freakin Gibbs was able to is any way an indictment of Zorn's people skills. So Hall of Famer Gibbs in his 15th year of coaching has a better feel for the locker room than Zorn in his first. Is this surprising? Is it supposed to be?

[44ever]

Aristocrat: check your messages when you get a moment.

[Ruhskins]

I think Springs is being honest, but the honesty of a guy who is on his way out of here. I like Springs, and I know that he has had his up and downs, but I do feel there's a bit of selfishness to him. Once again, I think he's being brutally honest, b/c he's out of here.

As I have mentioned before, I think our team is developing a leadership vacuum, and the FO is partly responsible for that, Zorn needs to get a hold of the locker room.

[itvnetop]

Wow... he predicts Freddy D will be the top NFL TE in two years! According to Davis' brother on this site, other players said Davis is freaking amazing in practice (I know, I know... so was Taylor Jacobs). But let's hope for the best.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

Wow... he predicts Freddy D will be the top NFL TE in two years! According to Davis' brother on this site, he mentioned other players saying Davis is freaking amazing in practice (I know, I know... so was Taylor Jacobs). But let's hope for the best.

Yeah Springs really likes Davis and to be honest, I can see why he likes him. If the guy ever gets his head on right he'll be a stud. He's got more ability than Cooley and at 6'5 and 260lbs he is just what we need down in the red zone. I'm just not sure he's got the drive and the work ethic.

[MTK]

Regarding the comments on Davis let's remember what Champ Bailey used to say about Taylor Jacobs. He said he was one of the best WRs he ever went up against... in practice. We never saw that potential when it mattered.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Regarding the comments on Davis let's remember what Champ Bailey used to say about Taylor Jacobs. He said he was one of the best WRs he ever went up against... in practice. We never saw that potential when it mattered.

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Sorry, I couldn't resist. LOL.