Trading Players for Draft Picks Game

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I trust CC knows 1000 times more about this than I do, but looking at the contracts, which JLC provided, i think CC is calculating their release fees under the assumption the skins choose to pay Carter and ARE their option bonuses prior to the 2010 season.

If we don't pay the option bonus, the release fees would be significantly smaller - read below:

IMO when Carter and ARE signed these new contracts, they did so with the knowledge that they would likely be cut after the 2009 season. There's no way we're picking up AREs option. The skins will gladly take the 4.4M hit to cut ARE.

The hit on ARE possibly (I agree he has been very underproductive based on his salary), the 5.1M hit on Carter doubtful. Certainly not both in the same year, together that's almost 10M in dead cap.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

10M would be quite a hit to take, however there are two factors to consider:

1) 2010 will probably be uncapped, making this all meaningless.
2) If 2010 is capped, the cap will very very very high. As of right now, we only have 114M committed to player contracts in 2010 and the Salary Cap would be atleast 20M over that.

I think we could afford to take the hit cutting Carter in 2010, but my gut tells me he's going to have a really good year. Carter has a great work ethic and i think he can be effective well into his 30s. IMO ARE and Jansen are the prime candidates to be cut next year.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think we could afford to take the hit cutting Carter in 2010, but my gut tells me he's going to have a really good year. Carter has a great work ethic and i think he can be effective well into his 30s. IMO ARE and Jansen are the prime candidates to be cut next year.

Here's something I've been thinking about but haven't come to a solid conclusion on, let's say by some miracle the FO doesn't pull a Plax and shoot itself in the leg, Orakpo falls to us and we take him at 13. IMO he isn't LB material and must be used at DE. Do you plug him at RDE (Carter's spot) where he'd be most effective and could be a bigger, stronger, although slightly less explosive D. Freeney and move Carter to LDE? Or do we put him at LDE and move him over to RDE in a year or two when/if Carter declines? I'm leaning to putting him at RDE and moving Carter.

Nothing like a huge bit of pre-draft speculation, but it's better than constant QB talk. LOL.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Buster

So you trust Betts THAT much? He'd set the all-time NFL record for fumbles if starting all year.

We better draft a RB at #13 if we do that deal.

I think we can find someone in the 3rd round, honestly.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Here's something I've been thinking about but haven't come to a solid conclusion on, let's say by some miracle the FO doesn't pull a Plax and shoot itself in the leg, Orakpo falls to us and we take him at 13. IMO he isn't LB material and must be used at DE. Do you plug him at RDE (Carter's spot) where he'd be most effective and could be a bigger, stronger, although slightly less explosive D. Freeney and move Carter to LDE? Or do we put him at LDE and move him over to RDE in a year or two when/if Carter declines? I'm leaning to putting him at RDE and moving Carter.

Nothing like a huge bit of pre-draft speculation, but it's better than constant QB talk. LOL.

With Orakpo I think you'd be looking at having him playing some DE and some Sam, especially in rush situations. In Blache's scheme you are going to get a lot of rushes from the Sam anyway so you could try to cover any liabilities in pass coverage that way and let him learn LB in the process. Something like what the Giants did with Kiwanuka.

But to answer your question, I think Orakpo is a better fit at RDE where he will see fewer double teams and can better utilize his athleticism. We kind of got a preview of what it looks like to have an undersized guy manning the LDE last season, though I suspect Orakpo would prove a better player against the run than Taylor was. It seems that if Orakpo is there, and the Skins take him, then they envision him playing a good bit of OLB next season.

Also, unless Curry falls for some unknown reason it seems like most anyone the Skins would take at #13 would offer liabilities in the pass game. The guys they have on the team currently, including if Marcus Washington came back, also offer matchup problems in the pass game. The question becomes whether they can find someone with the juice to help get after the passer at that position.

[BleedBurgundy]

How can anyone suggest putting an undersized player at LDE? All it did last year was guarantee opposing offenses would run right and run often at JT. We don't need a star at LDE, we just need a big body that can be stout against the run, we can focus on a pass rush specialist at RDE. I'd like to see us get Ayers for that.

[Superman13732]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

How can anyone suggest putting an undersized player at LDE? All it did last year was guarantee opposing offenses would run right and run often at JT. We don't need a star at LDE, we just need a big body that can be stout against the run, we can focus on a pass rush specialist at RDE. I'd like to see us get Ayers for that.

I agree, to a point. I think our D line has intense potential, depending on what we can get for our DE. Haynesworth and Griffin are going to absolutely dominate the inside line, if we can draft either an elite pass rusher who can take advantage of one on one opportunities on the outside that would be an excellent option, or if we can get a big DE, that has an average QB rush, but is physical enough to dominate one, possibly two O-lineman, then that leaves a lot of LB blitz options.

P.S. We need to get Washington back.

[Nflnick11]

Trade any of these players : randy Thomas jon Jansen ladell betts yoder randle el thrash griffin or the worst of the two young DTs smoot Campbell Collins

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

How can anyone suggest putting an undersized player at LDE? All it did last year was guarantee opposing offenses would run right and run often at JT. We don't need a star at LDE, we just need a big body that can be stout against the run, we can focus on a pass rush specialist at RDE. I'd like to see us get Ayers for that.

Agree with you, AC is too small for an every down LDE, Orakpo is a little bigger but not ideal size for LDE either. To my point, let's say you draft Ayers/Orakpo and put him at RDE, what do you do with AC (he's going nowhere)? Or possibly some sort of rotation using Buzbee or Alexander at LDE on run downs and AC or one side and Orakpo (Ayers) at the other DE.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Agree with you, AC is too small for an every down LDE, Orakpo is a little bigger but not ideal size for LDE either. To my point, let's say you draft Ayers/Orakpo and put him at RDE, what do you do with AC (he's going nowhere)? Or possibly some sort of rotation using Buzbee or Alexander at LDE on run downs and AC or one side and Orakpo (Ayers) at the other DE.

I think you Rotate AC with whomever we draft for RDE. I would rather see Alexander or possibly Golston at LDE. With Haynesworth and Griffin blowing up the middle, we need a big body to hold the end of the line and not get blown off the line of scrimmage.