Vinny covering his ass

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

I was upset that we didn't draft a T or G in the rest of the draft. Why draft a beast DE and use him at LB?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Hindsight... I dont remember anyone complaining when we got Orakpo. You guys complained about lack of sacks, hello Rak and Haynesworth = Sacks.

I for one thought that drafting Rak was a good idea and I said so.

I also, along with others, remarked that the Rak pick meant doing double-duty to bring in free agent offensive linemen post-draft. That's the part of the memo that Vinny mostly missed. Signing Mike Williams was not a major move and Bridges got cut, and that's all that Vinny did in response to our post-draft reality.

So I don't blame him for picking Rak over Oher. I blame him because he did not do much else.

[MTK]

Wrong link in the OP

Redskins Insider - Cerrato: Roster was capable of reaching playoffs

[Dirtbag59]

I have more complaints about Vinny drafting no OL after the 1st round then I do about Orakpo over Oher. Orakpo was just to good to pass up and a no brainer of a pick.

[SBXVII]

I was soooo hoping to hear that VC got fired after last night. They can keep Zorn till the end of the season, but I was sooo hoping we as fans would see DS do something to give us hope that he was not going to put up with the typical SSDD.

[budw38]

Vinny the schmuck . So much for accountability .

[The Goat]

Vinny is a liar, maybe a compulsive one, but a lousy one for certain. While I've tended to leave character out of criticizing our ownership, I also think it's hard to honestly say Vinny's continued presence doesn't say a great deal about lil D as a person. Snyder is clearly content with the face of the organization being a dishonest buffoon.

[Luxorreb]

I wish the Dan would just fire Cerrato now. Bring in Shanahan now. Or whoever the GM will be. Snyder is not an idiot and he has got to realize the HUGENESS of this problem. I'm a lifelong fan @ 37 years old and a season ticket holder for 10 years now. I'm blue collar and spend lotsa money on my tickets and driving from Richmond every Sunday. Well I'm not doing it anymore (maybe Dallas game), but otherwise not doing it. Had enough of the bullshit. Not allowing people to wear those Fire Vinny shirts is fucking ridiculous. I'd rather have them ban green or Eagles jerseys. Snyder if you continue to go down this road you will lose me and eventually all of the real true Redskins fans. I'm not questioning my fandom because of the 2-5 record, but simply because of the disarray the organization is in. It makes me very sad. Sorry to go on a tangent... I love my Redskins please hire a GM that knows friggin' FOOTBALL!

[skins89moss]

This years draft
1. Orakpo ( It was also a need pick because we were at the bottom of the league in sacks.)
2.Barnes ( This pick makes no sense, since he is not active on game day. So far a wasted pick for a 3rd rounder.
3.Drafted 2 LB's ( Henson, Cody Glenn) Glenn released, Henson not active on game day. So far 2 wasted picks.
4.Marko Mitchell ( Pleasent surprise in preseason but he is not active on game day. We also drafted 2WR's the year before so why the need to draft another WR? So far another wasted pick form the 2009 draft class.)

We did not have a 2nd rd pick due to trading for Jason Taylor. We release Taylor and have nothing to show for the 2nd round pick. Another wasted move that is catching up to us this season.

Who is held responsible for these moves? VC and Dan.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

This years draft
3.Drafted 2 LB's ( Henson, Cody Glenn) Glenn released, Henson not active on game day. So far 2 wasted picks.
We did not have a 2nd rd pick due to trading for Jason Taylor. We release Taylor and have nothing to show for the 2nd round pick. Another wasted move that is catching up to us this season.

Who is held responsible for these moves? VC and Dan.

This is the crap that really burns me up. The LB picks were complete garbage throw-away waste of picks....I just dont get it, especially with the OLINE issues
Jason Taylor is a bum, Pacells made our FO look like a bunch of idoits....

I really hate Siegfried & Roy running the FO, but we get what we deserve

[joethiesmanfan]

1. Draft picks are not guarantees.
Last year everyone on this board were crying because we couldn't rush the passer. Getting a pass rush for the D was priority one, an this was a UN resolution.

2. The fact is, Gibbs left Zorn a playoff team. Obviously Zorn is incapable of even impersonating an NFL offensive coordinator. Look, when it looks like the entire roster needs to be blown up and all players are suddenly horrible (including the 4 Pro Bowl offensive players), that points to Zorn, point blank period.

3. We have a nice nucleus of young players. I like the 2nd year WRs and Davis. Actually Davis may turn out to be better than Cooley. I would like to start that argument now. The offense is better off with Davis in the line up than with Cooley in the line up. I say trade Cooley for a tight end who can block. That would make more sense than trading a 1500 yard a year RB. Who would yall rather have then Portis: Forte or Turner? (one hit wonders). We need a young RB to go along with Portis to phase in as Portis phases out.

4. We need offensive line help, but one off season should be enough. We need a Center, a Guard, and a Tackle. Every freaking lineman does not have to be a Pro Bowler. No one spends 1st round picks on Centers or Guards. Maybe spend it on a Tackle, but i would rather spend that pick on a young stud to complement Portis.

5. Monday night NFL bloopers film. I had to laugh. Zorn's team is in disarray. He does not know what he is doing. The snap on 4th an goal and all the penalties point to coaching once again. We need to hire a head coach and let him pick his assistants.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

4. We need offensive line help, but one off season should be enough. We need a Center, a Guard, and a Tackle. Every freaking lineman does not have to be a Pro Bowler. No one spends 1st round picks on Centers or Guards. Maybe spend it on a Tackle, but i would rather spend that pick on a young stud to complement Portis.

yeah no one spends 1st round picks on C and G but nobody completely neglects it either. It is asinine to say that you shouldn't draft lineman, one of the reason the colts, pats, giants, the best teams in the league stay the best is because they are continuously replenishing the trenches.

You say that we didn't have a pass rush, we also happened to have the third best defense in the league. Are you saying we made a better decisions by investing 150 mil on AH and DH. Don't you think we could have just gotten some decent players and spent some money on the OL? your argument is specious b/c while you speak a truth, next to no one is contesting that truth and you don't account for the fact that you do need to draft quality OL and develop them in your system so you don't need to go after pricey free agents who often disappoint.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

yeah no one spends 1st round picks on C and G but nobody completely neglects it either. It is asinine to say that you shouldn't draft lineman, one of the reason the colts, pats, giants, the best teams in the league stay the best is because they are continuously replenishing the trenches.

You say that we didn't have a pass rush, we also happened to have the third best defense in the league. Are you saying we made a better decisions by investing 150 mil on AH and DH. Don't you think we could have just gotten some decent players and spent some money on the OL? your argument is specious b/c while you speak a truth, next to no one is contesting that truth and you don't account for the fact that you do need to draft quality OL and develop them in your system so you don't need to go after pricey free agents who often disappoint.

Ditto, and although you don't go after Centers or Guards in the first round a team should look at their glaring needs and make sure those spots are filled or met prior to picking BPA. I'll agree if we had 30 yrs I'm sure anyone could build a team with BPA's, but not if you treat them like crap, let them go elswhere, cut them and so on. Positions of need must come first after those needs are met then you can pick luxury BPA's that can be developed for the future. The Pats are a team who can pick BPA, Colts are a team who can pick BPA, the Skins with so many holes can not afford to pick BPA all the time.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

1. Draft picks are not guarantees.
Last year everyone on this board were crying because we couldn't rush the passer. Getting a pass rush for the D was priority one, an this was a UN resolution.

2. The fact is, Gibbs left Zorn a playoff team. Obviously Zorn is incapable of even impersonating an NFL offensive coordinator. Look, when it looks like the entire roster needs to be blown up and all players are suddenly horrible (including the 4 Pro Bowl offensive players), that points to Zorn, point blank period.

3. We have a nice nucleus of young players. I like the 2nd year WRs and Davis. Actually Davis may turn out to be better than Cooley. I would like to start that argument now. The offense is better off with Davis in the line up than with Cooley in the line up. I say trade Cooley for a tight end who can block. That would make more sense than trading a 1500 yard a year RB. Who would yall rather have then Portis: Forte or Turner? (one hit wonders). We need a young RB to go along with Portis to phase in as Portis phases out.

4. We need offensive line help, but one off season should be enough. We need a Center, a Guard, and a Tackle. Every freaking lineman does not have to be a Pro Bowler. No one spends 1st round picks on Centers or Guards. Maybe spend it on a Tackle, but i would rather spend that pick on a young stud to complement Portis.

5. Monday night NFL bloopers film. I had to laugh. Zorn's team is in disarray. He does not know what he is doing. The snap on 4th an goal and all the penalties point to coaching once again. We need to hire a head coach and let him pick his assistants.

So many things wrong with this... where to begin?

1.) Since nothing is ever guaranteed (in football or anywhere else), we need to look at probabilities. The odds that a 1st to 3rd round draft pick will *at least* become a 10 year backup are pretty good. 10 year backups are highly valuable, IMO. I'm not sure why you made the point of draft picks not being guaranteed. Are you trying to defend our neglect to the draft?

2.) Why did we go 6-2 at the beginning of last season? I guess that was in spite of Zorn? I'm not sold on Zorn at all, but everything is not his fault as you make it seem. We have no depth, and when we didn't need it (i.e.: beginning of last year), we did fine. Now we have key injuries and our depth problem is exposed. You can't blame Zorn for that.

3.) The offense is better with Davis than Cooley? WTF? Cooley is a top 5 tight end (maybe top 3) in the league. Davis hasn't done squat.

4.) I'd say we have 3 or 4 linemen worth keeping: Dockery, Rabach and Heyer. However, they should be our backups IMO. Heyer is crap, but he's versatile and kind of a project. I'd be comfortable if Dockery or Rabach had to come in due to injury. Hell, I'd be comfortable if they had to start, but not with the other guys we have now. That leaves us with a need for 7 - 9 more offensive linemen. That surely can't be easily fixed in one offseason. Drafting a RB with our 1st would be a waste, because we can't run block. I don't have the stats, but I'm pretty sure guards have been taken in the first round before -- probably centers too. Don't put the cart ahead of horse.

5.) How in the world does the fumbled snap on 4th and goal fall on Zorn? Ridiculous.

I don't really think the team needs to be blown up, but our offensive line definitely does -- and, it is pretty much the reason for all of our problems on offense.

[rbanerjee23]

god I hate that guy...