Campbell Comparables

Dirtbag59 · 11-10-2009, 01:49 PM

I use to think that Josh Freeman was going to be comprable to Campbell but thats already starting to be proven wrong.

GTripp0012 · 11-10-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I use to think that Josh Freeman was going to be comprable to Campbell but thats already starting to be proven wrong.

Nominated for conclusion jump of the week (CJOW for the acronymn fans among us).

Dirtbag59 · 11-10-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nominated for conclusion jump of the week (CJOW for the acronymn fans among us).

Lol, which conclusion? Freeman being good, or Freeman being like soup? Because if it's the latter I got that part from Freemans draft profile on NFL.com and ran with it.

Lotus · 11-10-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Lol, which conclusion? Freeman being good, or Freeman being like soup? Because if it's the latter I got that part from Freemans draft profile on NFL.com and ran with it.

Dirtbag, where is your sig from? I've forgotten where I saw that "are belong to us" phrase. Is that from Space Invaders?

FRPLG · 11-10-2009, 04:43 PM

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Dirtbag, where is your sig from? I've forgotten where I saw that "are belong to us" phrase. Is that from Space Invaders?

All your base are belong to us - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Goat · 11-10-2009, 02:11 PM

I was a big JC advocate over the last two seasons. My thinking was Zorn's QB-coach experience would pay huge dividends and Jason would take a big leap forward in decision-making and accuracy. I've also been a realist about our "league-worst" FO situation and the atrocious roster decisions regarding the oline. While it's real tempting to look and say Jason is getting killed out there and doesn't have much to work with, I'm focused on games 2 thru 4 when the line was better intact and we were playing the other really bad teams in football. I haven't seen any leadership from Jason in good, or bad, situations. Our offense is disgustingly sloppy regardless of who's healthy or what factors are involved, from Moss to Sellers to CP it's just a shit-show out there.

Now I'm well aware the discipline thing starts at the top. "Attitude reflect leadership" as they say, and the leadership which should start within the FO (NOT THE OWNER, but in our sad case it's one and the same) falls somewhere between non-existent and barely detectable at Redskins Park. Again the weird little toady Snyder insists on having as the face of the franchise utterly lacks inter-personal skills, as admitted even by Snyder's biggest apologists here and elsewhere, and therefor nobody expects anything from Cerrato in the leadership dept. But Jason is the guy holding the ball on game-day, he's the only guy left to demand a strong performance and solid execution from the guys surrounding him (don't tell me that should be Zorn's job, Snyder hired the gee-wiz coach precisely because Zorn isn't a fiery personality). I don't think anyone can honestly argue Jason has proven to be a leader. It has nothing to do w/ sacks or knock-downs or any other QB stat so far as I can tell. Have you ever seen Jason get into Moss', Seller's, or any of his teammates face after they gave up on a play or killed the 3rd down conversion? Never. On the sidelines. On the way to the locker room. Never. I see Brady (who I don't even like) do it. I see Peyton do it on the effing field in full view of everyone watching. I see Brees do it but you can always see a look of encouragement there too which I find exceptional. I expected to see it from Jason this year, but it's not gonna happen. He's not a leader and therefor I don't really see his numbers as important...the results will never be there.

rbanerjee23 · 11-10-2009, 02:17 PM

Campbell will never win a super bowl but he is not the main reason for this team messing up as bad as it has.

Chico23231 · 11-10-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Campbell will never win a super bowl but he is not the main reason for this team messing up as bad as it has.

I would def agree with him not being the main problem, that would be Vinny.

davy · 11-10-2009, 06:24 PM

Speaking of comparables...

The only difference between Campbell and a sack of shit is that the sack of shit reacts quicker when you kick it.

Have I gone too far?

Ruhskins · 11-10-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by davy

Speaking of comparables...

The only difference between Campbell and a sack of shit is that the sack of shit reacts quicker when you kick it.

Have I gone too far?

Maybe the sack of shit has a better offensive line in front of it.

T.O.Killa · 11-10-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by davy

Speaking of comparables...

The only difference between Campbell and a sack of shit is that the sack of shit reacts quicker when you kick it.

Have I gone too far?

Thats getting way out of line. JC gives it his all every play. Great guy, not a great QB. Time to move on, but don't disgrace the guy.

redskinjim · 11-10-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Thats getting way out of line. JC gives it his all every play. Great guy, not a great QB. Time to move on, but don't disgrace the guy.

yes cambell is not as stupid as it seems

DBUCHANON101 · 11-10-2009, 10:28 PM

Lets just leave it alone, he has been here long enough to make an impact and has not done so. Not like this guy was a 3rd round project QB, he was a 1st rounder. Try to find another 1st round QB who has been with a team as long as he has and hasnt made the playoffs. Our Oline isnt great but there are teams in the same boat and they score. I mean hell, TB's rook QB came in and they scored more than we have in a game all yr.

GusFrerotte · 11-10-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Lets just leave it alone, he has been here long enough to make an impact and has not done so. Not like this guy was a 3rd round project QB, he was a 1st rounder. Try to find another 1st round QB who has been with a team as long as he has and hasnt made the playoffs. Our Oline isnt great but there are teams in the same boat and they score. I mean hell, TB's rook QB came in and they scored more than we have in a game all yr.

Best post on the thread thus far. JC is a good guy, but an average QB at best and isn't the "chosen one".

GusFrerotte · 11-10-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Decided to start a new Campbell thread since the OP in the "Campbell's numbers don't lie" thread is now 6 weeks old, and no one is going to read through 1,000 posts.

Bill Barnwell at FO provides us this PFR query for Jason Campbell's season, based on the explosion of his sack rate. He compares Campbell's numbers to the 17 closest seasons in the last thirty years.

The link is here:

Player Season Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Barnwell's analysis is here:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Jason Campbell's Sack Rate

The most interesting thing is the two closest seasons to the season Campbell is having now, out of every QB season in the last 30 years, were Ben Roethlisberger's worst two seasons. There's little doubt that Roethlisberger is seeing downfield right now a lot better than Campbell is, but I'm not sure that's always been the case.

Question is, exactly how did the Steelers get that offense to where they are right now? And how can the Redskins prevent this situation from finishing out as bad as it started.

Easy, they built a decent O line for Ben. Thing is Ben has the intagibles that JC hasn't been allowed to develop with the BS over the last 6 seasons. Thing is now JC probably is a ruined QB because of it. I like JC and always rooted for him, but he isn't much better than Gus.

11-10-2009, 01:49 PM	#1
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Campbell Comparables I use to think that Josh Freeman was going to be comprable to Campbell but thats already starting to be proven wrong. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

11-10-2009, 02:11 PM	#6
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Campbell Comparables I was a big JC advocate over the last two seasons. My thinking was Zorn's QB-coach experience would pay huge dividends and Jason would take a big leap forward in decision-making and accuracy. I've also been a realist about our "league-worst" FO situation and the atrocious roster decisions regarding the oline. While it's real tempting to look and say Jason is getting killed out there and doesn't have much to work with, I'm focused on games 2 thru 4 when the line was better intact and we were playing the other really bad teams in football. I haven't seen any leadership from Jason in good, or bad, situations. Our offense is disgustingly sloppy regardless of who's healthy or what factors are involved, from Moss to Sellers to CP it's just a shit-show out there. Now I'm well aware the discipline thing starts at the top. "Attitude reflect leadership" as they say, and the leadership which should start within the FO (NOT THE OWNER, but in our sad case it's one and the same) falls somewhere between non-existent and barely detectable at Redskins Park. Again the weird little toady Snyder insists on having as the face of the franchise utterly lacks inter-personal skills, as admitted even by Snyder's biggest apologists here and elsewhere, and therefor nobody expects anything from Cerrato in the leadership dept. But Jason is the guy holding the ball on game-day, he's the only guy left to demand a strong performance and solid execution from the guys surrounding him (don't tell me that should be Zorn's job, Snyder hired the gee-wiz coach precisely because Zorn isn't a fiery personality). I don't think anyone can honestly argue Jason has proven to be a leader. It has nothing to do w/ sacks or knock-downs or any other QB stat so far as I can tell. Have you ever seen Jason get into Moss', Seller's, or any of his teammates face after they gave up on a play or killed the 3rd down conversion? Never. On the sidelines. On the way to the locker room. Never. I see Brady (who I don't even like) do it. I see Peyton do it on the effing field in full view of everyone watching. I see Brees do it but you can always see a look of encouragement there too which I find exceptional. I expected to see it from Jason this year, but it's not gonna happen. He's not a leader and therefor I don't really see his numbers as important...the results will never be there. __________________ 24-34

11-10-2009, 02:17 PM	#7
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: Campbell Comparables Campbell will never win a super bowl but he is not the main reason for this team messing up as bad as it has. __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

11-10-2009, 06:24 PM	#9
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 957	Re: Campbell Comparables Speaking of comparables... The only difference between Campbell and a sack of shit is that the sack of shit reacts quicker when you kick it. Have I gone too far? __________________ “Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.”

11-10-2009, 10:28 PM	#13
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: Campbell Comparables Lets just leave it alone, he has been here long enough to make an impact and has not done so. Not like this guy was a 3rd round project QB, he was a 1st rounder. Try to find another 1st round QB who has been with a team as long as he has and hasnt made the playoffs. Our Oline isnt great but there are teams in the same boat and they score. I mean hell, TB's rook QB came in and they scored more than we have in a game all yr. __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

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