Violence in pro sports.

Defensewins · 03-11-2004, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

I have a question, do you guys think Lawrence Taylor should have been banned from football after snapping theismans leg? Going at the knee's is a cheap shot in football!

Of course not. Tackling somone from behind (even at the knees) is not illegal.
If LT had sucker punched Joey T. while he was walking back to the huddle and then rammed his head in the the goal post (and broke his neck), then it would be comparable.
Although the way the NFL is trying to protect QB's these days, they might see our post and make it illegal tackle a QB.

MTK · 03-11-2004, 10:45 AM

LT's intention was not to break Joey T's leg, so no he shouldn't have been held responsible for that. It wasn't a premeditated act is what it comes down to.

Bertuzzi may have not intended to break the guy's neck, but his cheap shot was premeditated and therefore needs to be addressed accordingly.

MTK · 03-11-2004, 10:58 AM

I just don't understand what value fighting brings to hockey, in fact it I think it's one aspect of the sport that is holding it back from being able to compete with the other big 4 sports.

Two things I would change to make hockey more marketable, find a way to increase scoring and eliminate fighting. I know die hard hockey fans would have a big problem with those two things, but if you want to make hockey more fan friendly those are two things that could definitely help win over the casual fans.

The playoffs of any sport should be the most exciting time of the year, but hockey gets seriously bogged down in the playoffs, goalies become the key and you end up with a bunch of 1-0 games that go 2 or 3 extra periods. ZZZZZ

Again I know the die hard hockey fan would argue that playoff hockey is great because of the tight games and defensive struggles, but the casual fan doesn't want to see a 6 period 2-1 game.

My problem with fighting is it escalates the tension and tempers of the players to an unnecessary level. And since fighting is allowed, it allows players to seek revenge. The next time these teams get together I can guarantee revenge will be on everyone's minds that night, again, I just don't see the value that fighting brings to hockey. It's silly and unnecessary. I mean, there are guys on every team whose sole job is to fight...is this boxing or hockey??

Skins fan 44 · 03-11-2004, 11:22 AM

It is all fun and games untill someone pokes an eye out. lol I rembember the Olypics a couple of years. I am not a big hockey fan, but the hockey games were pretty good and I dont think they even fought. They say fighting is part of the game but why it is funny to watch but is it worth almost killing someone?

SmootSmack · 03-11-2004, 11:34 AM

Olympic hockey is great because you see a lot of the European teams. Scoring is more and fighting is less out in Europe. I personally think the NHL playoffs, in spite of being 2-1 games, are often very exciting. There is a lot less fighting for whatever reason in the playoffs and the offenses flow they just have to deal with top notch goalies.

Why this same type of hockey doesn't occur in the regular season honestly I don't know. But yeah there are many things that could be done to increase scoring, eliminate the red line, push the nets back, don't allow goalies to play the puck behind the net, etc. But this isn't an NHL discussion board so I won't get any further into it.

By the way, Bertuzzi was suspended for the regular season (12 games) and playoffs

MTK · 03-11-2004, 01:31 PM

And the Canucks were fined $250,000 and Bertuzzi must apply to be reinstated next year. Good to see they didn't let him off lightly.

To his credit though he was pretty shaken up and seemed genuinely sorry for what he did. I can respect him for that.

offiss · 03-11-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Being as how I can hardly stay upright on solid ground I've never played hockey so I'm shooting from the hip here. I'm just saying what I see from human nature. I heard this type of thing happened the other way around in a previous match up and the guy was going for a revenge cheap shot and the guy just totally went out cold. I know I've had more power than I knew when I was mad before.

Basicly in your post you said that the guy felt remorse but must be punished for hurting another guy and ending his career, yet you defend LT who did the exact same thing. How is this a two way street? Had Wayne Gretzky been the aggitator would we be screaming for his head? I mean, I think just because of who this is he's getting hung. The announcers from the game footage didn't even seem that suprised at the hit when it first happened.

Taylor never handed out a cheap shot to theisman he tackled him while joey T. was trying to make a play, and if you noticed the very first thing taylor did after he knew theisman was hurt was he started waiving to our sideline for help he didn't continue to pummel theisman, as well as theisman himself said many times that taylor was probably the cleanest player he ever played against, he said he never once saw taylor take a cheap shot at anyone in any of the games he ever faced him.

RedskinKnee · 03-11-2004, 03:46 PM

That was one nasty cheap shot.... a year suspension is not out of the question in my opinion.

johnnyredskin63 · 03-11-2004, 04:36 PM

well there is no way that LT's tackle of theisman was a cheap shot.i was watching the game and LT went nuts and yelled for medical help as soon as the play was over for god's sake.he was also one of the only guys to visit him in the hospital.the hockey shot was the cheapest shot i have ever seen.a couple of weeks ago the guy who got hurt had taken out one of the canucks captains so this whole thing was a premeditated attack.the nhl suspended the guy for the rest of this season,and fined the canucks 200 grand.

skinsfanthru&thru · 05-02-2004, 01:18 AM

I know this is kind of an old thread but i was wondering if anyone else had seen the clip of this minor league hockey game in which a guy who was on his knees on the ice, was hit across the face by an opposing player with a hockey stick. the guy who swung his stick looked like he put all of his strength into the hit and u could tell he was aiming at the guy's head. afterwards the guy who'd been hit in the face was laying on the ice with blood flowing from his wound while his body was convulsing. i thought the cheap shot a couple monthes ago was bad or the one a couple years ago, but i have never in my life seen a cheapshot like that. I hope the guy who commited this act goes to jail for as close to the maximum penalty as possibly.
luckily the guy who was attacked was released from the hospital from what i've heard and should be ok.

hi-jinx · 05-02-2004, 03:37 AM

I saw it on Espn.news. I couldn't believe that the guy got out of the hospital after only the night. He was just laying there twiching. Usally I am against calling what happens on the feild/ice a crime. But if there was ever a case that was it. Whoever the guy was who swung his stick like that shouldn't be any where near a hockey game for the rest of his born days. Plus he should serve some time in a cage.

Skins fan 44 · 05-03-2004, 12:00 PM

I saw on yesterday morning SportsCenter a story about the goalie that has his corodaded sp (jugular) artry cut back in 89. Man talk about scary. There was an instant pool of blood. It was like you could just see him dying and could not do anything about it. Luckly he lived. He had 300 stitches in about 90 minutes. He returned play a few weeks ago. I bet he had some bad nightmares after that.

MTK · 05-03-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

I saw on yesterday morning SportsCenter a story about the goalie that has his corodaded sp (jugular) artry cut back in 89. Man talk about scary. There was an instant pool of blood. It was like you could just see him dying and could not do anything about it. Luckly he lived. He had 300 stitches in about 90 minutes. He returned play a few weeks ago. I bet he had some bad nightmares after that.

I remember when that happened, I was horrified. Amazing that he lived! He literally had his throat slit from the blade. I think shortly after is when they designed that flap on goalie masks to cover the throat area.

backrow · 05-03-2004, 12:23 PM

Don't watch it myself! Been to a couple of minor league games years ago. Much better in person.

Changes needed:

Make the puck as big as a kick ball! You remember the fun you used to have playing kickball, don't you? Because you could see it!

Do away with the Goalie! I say it smacks too much like Goaltending in Basketball!

Take away all weapons! Remove the stick! Make the players kick it or dribble it!

Make the goal as small as your screen you are looking at!

Put all the players in Tutus & Ice skates with toepicks, or at least the silly costumes Ice Skaters wear! Then, if Hockey doesn't work out, they could be part of the Dance troupe with Ice Folleys!

Divide the game into halves! Periods sound like something feminine!

Do away with so many substitution of lines. Figure out how to stop the plays, like in football. Incomplete pass, throwing it out of bounds, intentional grounding, create a natural stop/start during each series.

Have the Zamboni clear one end, when the action is in the other end, kind of like snow-blowers during snowy FB games!

Make the goals out of break-away wood, so people don't get injured banging pipes!

Daseal · 05-03-2004, 05:26 PM

haha, I'd love to see the Zamboni run ins during a quick break away with the rubber bouncy ball!

03-11-2004, 11:22 AM	#34
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	It is all fun and games untill someone pokes an eye out. lol I rembember the Olypics a couple of years. I am not a big hockey fan, but the hockey games were pretty good and I dont think they even fought. They say fighting is part of the game but why it is funny to watch but is it worth almost killing someone? __________________ HTTR!

03-11-2004, 11:34 AM	#35
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Olympic hockey is great because you see a lot of the European teams. Scoring is more and fighting is less out in Europe. I personally think the NHL playoffs, in spite of being 2-1 games, are often very exciting. There is a lot less fighting for whatever reason in the playoffs and the offenses flow they just have to deal with top notch goalies. Why this same type of hockey doesn't occur in the regular season honestly I don't know. But yeah there are many things that could be done to increase scoring, eliminate the red line, push the nets back, don't allow goalies to play the puck behind the net, etc. But this isn't an NHL discussion board so I won't get any further into it. By the way, Bertuzzi was suspended for the regular season (12 games) and playoffs __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-11-2004, 04:36 PM	#39
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	well there is no way that LT's tackle of theisman was a cheap shot.i was watching the game and LT went nuts and yelled for medical help as soon as the play was over for god's sake.he was also one of the only guys to visit him in the hospital.the hockey shot was the cheapest shot i have ever seen.a couple of weeks ago the guy who got hurt had taken out one of the canucks captains so this whole thing was a premeditated attack.the nhl suspended the guy for the rest of this season,and fined the canucks 200 grand. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

05-03-2004, 12:00 PM	#42
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	I saw on yesterday morning SportsCenter a story about the goalie that has his corodaded sp (jugular) artry cut back in 89. Man talk about scary. There was an instant pool of blood. It was like you could just see him dying and could not do anything about it. Luckly he lived. He had 300 stitches in about 90 minutes. He returned play a few weeks ago. I bet he had some bad nightmares after that. __________________ HTTR!

05-03-2004, 12:23 PM	#44
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	Backrow on Hockey! Don't watch it myself! Been to a couple of minor league games years ago. Much better in person. Changes needed: Make the puck as big as a kick ball! You remember the fun you used to have playing kickball, don't you? Because you could see it! Do away with the Goalie! I say it smacks too much like Goaltending in Basketball! Take away all weapons! Remove the stick! Make the players kick it or dribble it! Make the goal as small as your screen you are looking at! Put all the players in Tutus & Ice skates with toepicks, or at least the silly costumes Ice Skaters wear! Then, if Hockey doesn't work out, they could be part of the Dance troupe with Ice Folleys! Divide the game into halves! Periods sound like something feminine! Do away with so many substitution of lines. Figure out how to stop the plays, like in football. Incomplete pass, throwing it out of bounds, intentional grounding, create a natural stop/start during each series. Have the Zamboni clear one end, when the action is in the other end, kind of like snow-blowers during snowy FB games! Make the goals out of break-away wood, so people don't get injured banging pipes! __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

03-11-2004, 10:45 AM	#32
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	LT's intention was not to break Joey T's leg, so no he shouldn't have been held responsible for that. It wasn't a premeditated act is what it comes down to. Bertuzzi may have not intended to break the guy's neck, but his cheap shot was premeditated and therefore needs to be addressed accordingly.

03-11-2004, 10:58 AM	#33
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I just don't understand what value fighting brings to hockey, in fact it I think it's one aspect of the sport that is holding it back from being able to compete with the other big 4 sports. Two things I would change to make hockey more marketable, find a way to increase scoring and eliminate fighting. I know die hard hockey fans would have a big problem with those two things, but if you want to make hockey more fan friendly those are two things that could definitely help win over the casual fans. The playoffs of any sport should be the most exciting time of the year, but hockey gets seriously bogged down in the playoffs, goalies become the key and you end up with a bunch of 1-0 games that go 2 or 3 extra periods. ZZZZZ Again I know the die hard hockey fan would argue that playoff hockey is great because of the tight games and defensive struggles, but the casual fan doesn't want to see a 6 period 2-1 game. My problem with fighting is it escalates the tension and tempers of the players to an unnecessary level. And since fighting is allowed, it allows players to seek revenge. The next time these teams get together I can guarantee revenge will be on everyone's minds that night, again, I just don't see the value that fighting brings to hockey. It's silly and unnecessary. I mean, there are guys on every team whose sole job is to fight...is this boxing or hockey??

03-11-2004, 01:31 PM	#36
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	And the Canucks were fined $250,000 and Bertuzzi must apply to be reinstated next year. Good to see they didn't let him off lightly. To his credit though he was pretty shaken up and seemed genuinely sorry for what he did. I can respect him for that.

03-11-2004, 03:46 PM	#38
RedskinKnee Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3	That was one nasty cheap shot.... a year suspension is not out of the question in my opinion.

05-02-2004, 01:18 AM	#40
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	I know this is kind of an old thread but i was wondering if anyone else had seen the clip of this minor league hockey game in which a guy who was on his knees on the ice, was hit across the face by an opposing player with a hockey stick. the guy who swung his stick looked like he put all of his strength into the hit and u could tell he was aiming at the guy's head. afterwards the guy who'd been hit in the face was laying on the ice with blood flowing from his wound while his body was convulsing. i thought the cheap shot a couple monthes ago was bad or the one a couple years ago, but i have never in my life seen a cheapshot like that. I hope the guy who commited this act goes to jail for as close to the maximum penalty as possibly. luckily the guy who was attacked was released from the hospital from what i've heard and should be ok.

05-02-2004, 03:37 AM	#41
hi-jinx Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Memphis Age: 50 Posts: 180	I saw it on Espn.news. I couldn't believe that the guy got out of the hospital after only the night. He was just laying there twiching. Usally I am against calling what happens on the feild/ice a crime. But if there was ever a case that was it. Whoever the guy was who swung his stick like that shouldn't be any where near a hockey game for the rest of his born days. Plus he should serve some time in a cage.

05-03-2004, 05:26 PM	#45
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	haha, I'd love to see the Zamboni run ins during a quick break away with the rubber bouncy ball!

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