Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tootergray34

please get off the colt mccoy fling...todd mcshay has him as a 5th or 5th rounder at best

Except that he has him in the second. And he's probably the best quarterback in the draft, with regards to Shanahan's scheme.

It's why I have a tough time believing we will actually go QB with the 4th pick. Shanahan might pass on McCoy, but only if he actually thinks that we're fine at QB. Otherwise, he makes a whole bunch of sense for us in the second round, especially if we can trade down to the middle of the round, and pick up a third round pick.

I think we're way more likely to trade down in the second than in the first anyway.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Except that he has him in the second. And he's probably the best quarterback in the draft, with regards to Shanahan's scheme.
It's why I have a tough time believing we will actually go QB with the 4th pick. Shanahan might pass on McCoy, but only if he actually thinks that we're fine at QB. Otherwise, he makes a whole bunch of sense for us in the second round, especially if we can trade down to the middle of the round, and pick up a third round pick.

I think we're way more likely to trade down in the second than in the first anyway.

Mel Kiper has said this several times. Likening McCoy to Drew Brees and Jake Plummer (while in Shanahan's system).

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Except that he has him in the second. And he's probably the best quarterback in the draft, with regards to Shanahan's scheme.

How is McCoy a fit for a West Coast scheme? He ran a spread in college. M & K Shanahan's scheme is actually a perfect fit for Clausen

Also, did you see the Big 12 championship game, not a good performance by McCoy.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

How is McCoy a fit for a West Coast scheme? He ran a spread in college. M & K Shanahan's scheme is actually a perfect fit for Clausen

Also, did you see the Big 12 championship game, not a good performance by McCoy.

McCoy didn't fare well in any of the tough games he had this year(Oklahoma, Nebraska,and the little he played in the Alabama game).

[GusFrerotte]

The whole Bradford Clausen debate isn't worth a hill of beans. There are so many decent QBs in this years draft it isn't even funny. I will keep saying this til draft day, and that is Bradford is just the latest guy in a great system under Stoops. Sure he has NFL talent, and had crazy stats at Oklahoma, but look at the talent surrounding him also. I am talking about his line, receivers, and backs. Not to mention that the Big 12 isn't known for defense either. As for his shoulder, why take a chance on that? I mean he injured it twice the same season and didn't even participate in his bowl game. Sorry Bradford boosters, but this guy is going to pop his shoulder with one hit from Ware. Our line, no matter what we do won't be completely turned around within a year. The guys to go for are the guys that made things happen when they weren't surrounded by gobs of talent. Guys like Lefevour, Stull, Kafka, Sheehan, etc. My fav guy thus far is Kafka since I have seen the most of him being from Big 10 country. With Kafka, Northwestern went 8-4, but if they didn't have him that was a 2-10 or 3-9 team at best. Lefevour is the same way, with better stats.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

The whole Bradford Clausen debate isn't worth a hill of beans. There are so many decent QBs in this years draft it isn't even funny. I will keep saying this til draft day, and that is Bradford is just the latest guy in a great system under Stoops.

Sure he has NFL talent, and had crazy stats at Oklahoma, but look at the talent surrounding him also. I am talking about his line, receivers, and backs. Not to mention that the Big 12 isn't known for defense either. As for his shoulder, why take a chance on that? I mean he injured it twice the same season and didn't even participate in his bowl game.

Classic SEC propoganda, though not on your part. I mean who could blame you, it gets hammered into your head on virtually every college football show looking to sprout off nonsense.

For some reason SEC supporters feel they have to downplay the quality of all the other conferences at the sake of talking up their own. A few years ago the SEC really was a deep conference but it now resembles the PAC-10 before this year, with one or two dominant teams and everyone else. Outside of Florida and Alabama you basically have a bunch of teams that refuse to play quality out of conference teams, not to mention the fact that Florida and Bama aren't really looking for quality out of conference opponents themselves. Say what you want about Ohio State but at least they put USC and Texas on their schedules. By the way Bama lucked out with McCoy going out of the game on the fifth play of the game.

So how does this relate to the Big XII? Well to be honest they have something that the SEC usually doesn't posses. Good QB play. Seriously most SEC offenses are run the ball 40 times a game, throw 20 passes and hope you complete 11 (believe me I'm constantly lulled to sleep by SEC games on Saturdays during the Fall). Which is fine, but it tends to make the defenses look better then they really are. In fact the only true test SEC defenses get on a yearly basis is Florida and they usually fail that test miserably. That is why the only defense I'm even prepared to acknowledge in the SEC is Alabama's.

I'm tired of Big XII QB's getting downplayed because "Oh no dey didn't dun pleh against them SEC defences no sir ree." This is top class FBS talent they're going against. It just so happens that the Big 12 has competent offensive coordinators and better QB's, so it ends up in the defenses getting downplayed.

So in short the perceived dominance of SEC defenses are a joke while many Big XII defenses are underrated. Most of the offenses SEC teams go against use gameplans that would insult an NFL preseason gameplan. All the while Big 12 defenses go against some of the most well coached offenses in college football, and get punished for it.

Anyway sorry for the rant but this had to be said.

In the meantime here's some Anti-SEC propoganda. I know it's from bleacher report but this one is backed up with facts.
Let's Face It, the SEC Is Overrated This Season | Bleacher Report

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Classic SEC propoganda, though not on your part. I mean who could blame you, it gets hammered into your head on virtually every college football show looking to sprout off nonsense.

For some reason SEC supporters feel they have to downplay the quality of all the other conferences at the sake of talking up their own. A few years ago the SEC really was a deep conference but it now resembles the PAC-10 before this year, with one or two dominant teams and everyone else. Outside of Florida and Alabama you basically have a bunch of teams that refuse to play quality out of conference teams, not to mention the fact that Florida and Bama aren't really looking for quality out of conference opponents themselves. Say what you want about Ohio State but at least they put USC and Texas on their schedules. By the way Bama lucked out with McCoy going out of the game on the fifth play of the game.

So how does this relate to the Big XII? Well to be honest they have something that the SEC usually doesn't posses. Good QB play. Seriously most SEC offenses are run the ball 40 times a game, throw 20 passes and hope you complete 11 (believe me I'm constantly lulled to sleep by SEC games on Saturdays during the Fall). Which is fine, but it tends to make the defenses look better then they really are. In fact the only true test SEC defenses get on a yearly basis is Florida and they usually fail that test miserably. That is why the only defense I'm even prepared to acknowledge in the SEC is Alabama's.

I'm tired of Big XII QB's getting downplayed because "Oh no dey didn't dun pleh against them SEC defences no sir ree." This is top class FBS talent they're going against. It just so happens that the Big 12 has competent offensive coordinators and better QB's, so it ends up in the defenses getting downplayed.

So in short the perceived dominance of SEC defenses are a joke while many Big XII defenses are underrated. Most of the offenses SEC teams go against use gameplans that would insult an NFL preseason gameplan. All the while Big 12 defenses go against some of the most well coached offenses in college football, and get punished for it.

Anyway sorry for the rant but this had to be said.

In the meantime here's some Anti-SEC propoganda. I know it's from bleacher report but this one is backed up with facts.
Let's Face It, the SEC Is Overrated This Season | Bleacher Report

And in review, the last four BCS Champions were from the SEC, and 6 of the last 10 years, yep, you guessed it, SEC!

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by backrow

And in review, the last four BCS Champions were from the SEC, and 6 of the last 10 years, yep, you guessed it, SEC!

It also helps when the SEC champ usually has an automatic entry into the MNC game. Do we really want to get into a discussion about the B(S)CS?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by backrow

And in review, the last four BCS Champions were from the SEC, and 6 of the last 10 years, yep, you guessed it, SEC!

Ah yes, the BCS. Easily the most accurate and storied championship system in all of sports. The BCS is perfect for the SEC because for their "year long playoff" they can select powerhouses like the Chattanoga Choo Choo's as well as the Northwest Cupids. Still so kind of them to pay schools with a lot less money to play their amazing football teams.

Also, assuming I look the other way concerning the utter stupidity of the BCS it still doesn't change the fact that one team does not make a conference. Just like USC being dominant all of these years didn't mean that up until now the PAC 10 was the best conference. Or better yet Miami when it played in the Big East. Of course those two school actually booked quality out of conference opponents.

Alabama gets cudos for booking Virginia Tech, but if you look at Florida's out of conference schedule, well quite frankly it was pathetic. FIU, Chattanoga, Charlston Southern, Troy. If they hadn't been practically forced by tradition to play FSU they would have probably played Will and Mary. By comparison USC's out of conference schedule was as follows San Jose State, Boston College, Notre Dame, and Ohio State. All FBS schools.

Keep in mind I'm not saying the SEC is a bad conference. What I am saying is that the SEC isn't nearly the Super Conference it thinks it is. It walks around calling itself an 11 when in reality it's more like a 9 on the verge of dropping towards an 8.5. Also because of the SEC's perceived dominance every other prospect seems to get downgraded because they play in an "inferior" conference and now I've finally snapped

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Classic SEC propoganda, though not on your part. I mean who could blame you, it gets hammered into your head on virtually every college football show looking to sprout off nonsense.

For some reason SEC supporters feel they have to downplay the quality of all the other conferences at the sake of talking up their own. A few years ago the SEC really was a deep conference but it now resembles the PAC-10 before this year, with one or two dominant teams and everyone else. Outside of Florida and Alabama you basically have a bunch of teams that refuse to play quality out of conference teams, not to mention the fact that Florida and Bama aren't really looking for quality out of conference opponents themselves. Say what you want about Ohio State but at least they put USC and Texas on their schedules. By the way Bama lucked out with McCoy going out of the game on the fifth play of the game.

So how does this relate to the Big XII? Well to be honest they have something that the SEC usually doesn't posses. Good QB play. Seriously most SEC offenses are run the ball 40 times a game, throw 20 passes and hope you complete 11 (believe me I'm constantly lulled to sleep by SEC games on Saturdays during the Fall). Which is fine, but it tends to make the defenses look better then they really are. In fact the only true test SEC defenses get on a yearly basis is Florida and they usually fail that test miserably. That is why the only defense I'm even prepared to acknowledge in the SEC is Alabama's.

I'm tired of Big XII QB's getting downplayed because "Oh no dey didn't dun pleh against them SEC defences no sir ree." This is top class FBS talent they're going against. It just so happens that the Big 12 has competent offensive coordinators and better QB's, so it ends up in the defenses getting downplayed.

So in short the perceived dominance of SEC defenses are a joke while many Big XII defenses are underrated. Most of the offenses SEC teams go against use gameplans that would insult an NFL preseason gameplan. All the while Big 12 defenses go against some of the most well coached offenses in college football, and get punished for it.

Anyway sorry for the rant but this had to be said.

In the meantime here's some Anti-SEC propoganda. I know it's from bleacher report but this one is backed up with facts.
Let's Face It, the SEC Is Overrated This Season | Bleacher Report

Dude I am a Big 10 guy, but I watch more Big 12 football than SEC for sure( more points=more fun). When you have even lesser powers like A&M putting up almost 60 on some Saturdays in conference play, you have to wonder about that conference in terms of defensive philosophy or the overall quality of the competition. SEC outside of Bama and Florida is just like the Big Ten if not worse in quality, but you rarely ever see a 60 point game in a SEC contest and in the Big 10 you are lucky to see 60 points scored combined. Look at Jones, Bradford's backup in the bowl game. He dominated and threw for over 300 yards. I am sure the guy is good, but damn, it obviously is just as much of the overall high level of talent at Oklahoma as it is Bradford. I want a guy who can get things done when the odds are even and his supporting cast isn't a bunch of All Americans or Pro Bowlers.

[CultBrennan59]

McCoy's arm is awful, he can barely throw! He got knocked out of the biggest college game of his life on a hit that wasn't bad at all. NO! Don't get mccoy. Stick with a tackle or get Bradford who can make all the NFL throws. Sure he had a shoulder injury as well, but that was because a 270 lb slamed him shoulder first into the ground.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

McCoy's arm is awful, he can barely throw! He got knocked out of the biggest college game of his life on a hit that wasn't bad at all. NO! Don't get mccoy. Stick with a tackle or get Bradford who can make all the NFL throws. Sure he had a shoulder injury as well, but that was because a 270 lb slamed him shoulder first into the ground.

He tried to come back, his coaches and father wouldn't let him on account of making sure he was healthy for the NFL. Also before you discount McCoy's father remember the fact that Texas now has the other McCoy attending school, Case. Ironically Shipleys little brother is attending Texas as well, though McCoy could easily end up transferring with Texas getting Connor Wood in the same class.

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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

He tried to come back, his coaches and father wouldn't let him on account of making sure he was healthy for the NFL.

Univ of TX says he was hurt and couldn't complete a 7 yd pass in the locker room.

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[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Univ of TX says he was hurt and couldn't complete a 7 yd pass in the locker room.

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Dude stop lying. He threw that ball at least 8 yards

Still didn't know that part. All I remember is McCoy saying he wanted to go back but the coaches, doctors, and his Dad wouldn't let him. Of course I'd say the doctors were probably hired by the SEC to establish their dominance. I mean it's no coincidence that the Southeastern Conference is college footballs richest conference all while sharing the initials of the securities and exchange commission. They'll stop at nothing to brag about how their worst teams would win the WAC, ACC, Big East, Pac 10, Big 10 and 12, and any other conference in the country.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Dude stop lying. He threw that ball at least 8 yards

End-over-end. LOL