Is there room for Orakpo and Rob Jackson?

[SmootSmack]

What about Lorenzo? Do you keep him too?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Lorenzo? Do you keep him too?

Lorenzo goes no where.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Lorenzo? Do you keep him too?

Yes. All around team guy and very versatile... someone mentioned Jackson being like a Mike Vrabel type i think earlier in the thread... but i think 'Zo is more comparable and i think it's essential we keep him. For ST's and depth. He's a redskin as long as we keep him around.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Lorenzo? Do you keep him too?

Of course, he is a pro bowler and he is great at what he does on special teams.

He can back up the other OLB (Rob Jackson backs up one, he backs up the other)

[Mayor]

Maybe I am crazy, but I see Orkapo and Kerrigan excelling at playing as down linemen, Jackson playing great as a coverage LB... so how about the 4-3?

Starters:

DE: Kerrigan, Orkapo
DT: Cofield, Jenkins
LB: Jackson (O), Fletcher*(M), Riley (O)
S: Draft, Draft
CB: Hall, Wilson


* - If Fletcher retires then it's a camp toss up

I like the look of that front 7.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Mayor

Maybe I am crazy, but I see Orkapo and Kerrigan excelling at playing as down linemen, Jackson playing great as a coverage LB... so how about the 4-3?

Starters:

DE: Kerrigan, Orkapo
DT: Cofield, Jenkins
LB: Jackson (O), Fletcher*(M), Riley (O)
S: Draft, Draft
CB: Hall, Wilson


* - If Fletcher retires then it's a camp toss up

I like the look of that front 7.

Just cause it looks good on paper doesn't mean its going to work on the field. We're doing fine in the 3-4. Why fix something that ain't broken? Our weakness is in the secondary, and 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, 1-6, it doesn't matter what defense you play you have always 4 guys starting in the secondary.

[Mayor]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Just cause it looks good on paper doesn't mean its going to work on the field. We're doing fine in the 3-4. Why fix something that ain't broken? Our weakness is in the secondary, and 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, 1-6, it doesn't matter what defense you play you have always 4 guys starting in the secondary.

While I get your point, my point is putting you talent in a position where they are most beneficial to the team is a good strategy. Orkapo is a good pass rusher, Jackson is a ball hawk, I was just presenting an option that puts them both on the field in a position where they excel.

In fact, we have been fighting for years now to pigeonhole Kerrigan and Orkapo into 3-4 LB positions when their natural talents are in the 4-3 DE position. Why not build the defense around our best players best skills?

Adjusting your scheme to the skills of your players is what winning franchises do. Getting rid of a good player because they don't fit in your scheme is what losing franchises do.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mayor

Maybe I am crazy, but I see Orkapo and Kerrigan excelling at playing as down linemen, Jackson playing great as a coverage LB... so how about the 4-3?

Starters:

DE: Kerrigan, Orkapo
DT: Cofield, Jenkins
LB: Jackson (O), Fletcher*(M), Riley (O)
S: Draft, Draft
CB: Hall, Wilson


* - If Fletcher retires then it's a camp toss up

I like the look of that front 7.

I don't. It would make our front 7 much worse. Carriker and Bowen (whom you are not in your lineup) are much better players than Jenkins and Jackson. Your proposal also leaves us little depth behind the starters. I think the lineup you described would be a nice defensive look to mix things up, but it's a weaker base defense than what we have now.

I also don't like any lineup that has hall an window as our primary corners.

In addition, you have us starting two rookie safeties. Considering our first two picks will be in the bottom of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, the idea of starting two rookies is even more preposterous. Overall, I think your lineup would result in a weaker defense than what we had this year.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mayor

Maybe I am crazy, but I see Orkapo and Kerrigan excelling at playing as down linemen, Jackson playing great as a coverage LB... so how about the 4-3?

Starters:

DE: Kerrigan, Orkapo
DT: Cofield, Jenkins
LB: Jackson (O), Fletcher*(M), Riley (O)
S: Draft, Draft
CB: Hall, Wilson


* - If Fletcher retires then it's a camp toss up

I like the look of that front 7.

You are. The 4-3 ship left the port in 2009 with Greg Blache.. We are a 3-4 team now and for the forseeable future.

[VTSkins1961]

Originally Posted by Mayor

Maybe I am crazy, but I see Orkapo and Kerrigan excelling at playing as down linemen, Jackson playing great as a coverage LB... so how about the 4-3?

Starters:

DE: Kerrigan, Orkapo
DT: Cofield, Jenkins
LB: Jackson (O), Fletcher*(M), Riley (O)
S: Draft, Draft
CB: Hall, Wilson


* - If Fletcher retires then it's a camp toss up

I like the look of that front 7.

I agree with that although I'm sure we are in the minority about going back to the 4-3

[los panda]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Lorenzo? Do you keep him too?

no room for him please know that i am kidding

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Lorenzo? Do you keep him too?

Absolutely. He is unlikely to create cap problems and is precisely the lunch pail type of player that every locker room needs.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think Lorenzo and Jackson both get deals in the 2MM/year range for 2013, with significant increases in 2014 when we have cap room again. We're gonna have to work hard to meet the cap minimum in 2014.

[donofriose]

Redskins will most likely have to spend more money than they half in order to keep both.I would choose Orakpo but redskins will most likely lose Jackson

[FRPLG]

Jackson's probably played himself to a better contract than Lorenzo but neither should be getting a starter's deal. Lorenzo is a Lego you put in 6 different places and you know he'll be solid. Jackson seems to be a good guy with solid football smarts and a dash of football-player athleticism thrown in but he isn't an every down force. He's a fantastic depth player who can start for you in a pinch. Good teams develop players like that, lose them when they perform, replace them with someone similarly skilled and develop that new person.