One Night Only: Offensive Packers-Redskins Game Review, Mythbusters Edition

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What does that even mean?

He watched the game backwards.

[warriorzpath]

... So why exactly are 2 games not a good enough sample size, statistically speaking of course?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

... So why exactly are 2 games not a good enough sample size, statistically speaking of course?

It's an adequate sample for some things, but not for others.

It's not an adequate sample to conclude the Redskins are a 0-16 team (sample size - 2), although that is what they are on pace for.

It is an adequate sample to conclude something that happens on every play. For example, the Redskins are allowed to line up with 11 players on every play, and their continued success at doing so can be confirmed through statistics. I.e. through 150 plays this year on offense, the Redskins have lined up in a legal formation 146 times (or something). We CAN conclude that the Redskins know how to line up in a legal formation (Sample size - 150), because they have to do it every play, and they're generally pretty good at it.

That's a really stupid example, but my point is two games is only a large sample when we talk about events that happen on every play.

[GTripp0012]

However, if you only watched the first half of the Eagles game (sample size 25 ish), you would have been unable to conclude (statisically) that the Redskins lining up legally wasn't just due to random chance. The sample size would have been too small (and frankly, they weren't that convincing).

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I think it's best described in the play calling. That's all that ready matters, and I do agree with you in that the offensive scheme looks much more like 2011 then anything we did in 2012.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

That's a good point. I thought that's exactly what we did with Cousins against the Browns. Why aren't we doing that now?

Exactly. Wasnt even thinking about the browns game - but yes. We stil wanted to mix the run with the pass and keep the d guessing but we coudnt ro with cousins like we did with griff so we rolled him out alot and got him into space where he could keep the d guessing. Well now We cant ro with Griff like we did with Griff - lol so roll him out. That being said ro here and there - griff may not be 100% but he has proven he can take a hit - cant play scared with him. A viscious hit can happen to any player anytime.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I wasn't unhappy with the offensive approach against Green Bay like I was against Philadelphia, but it does strike me as similar to the plan when Grossman was our quarterback in 2011. It's very pass-centric, and we probably don't have the passing game to put that much of our hopes and dreams on it.

We ran the ball much better against GB than against Philly, but we didn't stick with it, part because of the score, part because I think that's a Kyle tendency.

More diversity in the offense cannot hurt, but some of that has to fall on the defense to keep us in the game a little longer.

Oh by no means am i letting the d off the hook. First team in nfl history to give up that many yards in the first two games. However if its going to be shootouts that win the game than lets score 35 and hope that atleast some extended drives will give the d enough time to catch their breath and maybe just maybe make one or two more stops to win said shootout. There is no way our offense puts up enough points to mask the defense if Griff runs three times a game. From what ive seen he is more than healthy enough to scramble for 6-7 yards at a clip starting in space on a rollout/bootleg and help metriculate the ball down the field for those one or two more scoring drives that would have kept us in both games.

[Tiny12]

Would I be wrong in suggesting that the time to let Cousins play is getting closer?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Tiny12

Would I be wrong in suggesting that the time to let Cousins play is getting closer?

Yes.

[The Goat]

If you put much stock in GTripp's analysis, and I do, it sounds like the best short term fix on offense is putting the right players on the field i.e. receiving targets who best create separation from defenders. I think Tripps a little harsh on Moss because that dude has shown as much ability to get open as anyone so far, it's pretty spot on otherwise. I don't ever notice Morgan getting wide open. He doesn't have the moves. But he is a gritty runner so as long as he's on the roster Morgan should be out go to guy on screen passes. Garçon isn't consistent, just as Tripp said.
So our base offense should include garçon, hankerson, Reid and mix in Helu more to mask passing downs. But it still begs the question why we aren't seeing bootlegs and roll outs.

Either way, coaching is a big issue, the biggest IMO. Why don't mike/Kyle recognize who can help RG the most by making plays? And why the reversion back to pre 2012 football? Now RG isn't even good enough for what you gave cousins to work with? C'mon.

[skinsfan69]

What I see is a QB that isn't good enough right now to run this type of offense. He needs a running game to be successful. Sorry but that scares me a little bit. We saw some of this last year... when teams knew we had to pass, we couldn't convert 3rd downs. Right now he needs to get help from the coaches, as others have said...get him on the move a bit more, spread out the field formation wise and run some quicker passes, run the no huddle...things he did well at Baylor. Not only does RG3 need to pick it up, but you too Kyle.

[Green Monk Machine]

I think we just need to dump the pistol and RO. It got is in this mix and isn't going to help Rob one bit. We have TE's, good receivers, and RB's. they must be the offense, not a guy coming off knee surgeries. Pound the ball, use these 2 te sets and go more traditional b/c rob is not physically dynamic anymore. That's all it is. If he can't run, he needs to stop RO, if he can't step in throws, he needs to be taken off the field. The season is underway and Kirk is more able. That will never happen though, not b/c it doesn't make sense but b/c Shanny/Rob are too hard headed. Shanny can never be wrong and he doesnt scold his son Off Cord. afterall the shanny plan has always been 2 part- get kyles career advanced and get Mike into HOF. theyve already gone all in despite any sort of longterm costs to fans and franchise before/after Rob. We do not win with the RO this year. Other teams can, b/c they protect their QB (and certainly don't send him downfield for a pass against the steelers, thanks Kyle).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Green Monk Machine

I think we just need to dump the pistol and RO. It got is in this mix and isn't going to help Rob one bit. We have TE's, good receivers, and RB's. they must be the offense, not a guy coming off knee surgeries. Pound the ball, use these 2 te sets and go more traditional b/c rob is not physically dynamic anymore. That's all it is. If he can't run, he needs to stop RO, if he can't step in throws, he needs to be taken off the field. The season is underway and Kirk is more able. That will never happen though, not b/c it doesn't make sense but b/c Shanny/Rob are too hard headed. Shanny can never be wrong and he doesnt scold his son Off Cord. afterall the shanny plan has always been 2 part- get kyles career advanced and get Mike into HOF. theyve already gone all in despite any sort of longterm costs to fans and franchise before/after Rob. We do not win with the RO this year. Other teams can, b/c they protect their QB (and certainly don't send him downfield for a pass against the steelers, thanks Kyle).

How does dumping the pistol help? You have actually seen a lot more teams incorporate it, because it gives qbs a split second more time to read the defenses.
As for the RO I think all the RO teams wanted to get a feel for how the refs were going to call it and how defenses were going to adjust.

No matter what this week the offense needs to come out on track.

[Green Monk Machine]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How does dumping the pistol help? You have actually seen a lot more teams incorporate it, because it gives qbs a split second more time to read the defenses.
As for the RO I think all the RO teams wanted to get a feel for how the refs were going to call it and how defenses were going to adjust.

No matter what this week the offense needs to come out on track.

Hi Rule. Yes, the RO is spreading and doing wonders- for everyone other than us. I come from the understanding that this a passing era and the QB is evermore important these days. Defense is now overrated b/c as long as you can pass and score with ease, then any game can be won. What's troubled me to plead we stop with the RO is b/c of how Shanny wants to use rob in it. He has managed to take the most competent and able QB to run RO and subject him to unnecessary injury. Lesser talented QB's Wilson, Kapernick were drafted later and cost less, yet sound mgt and coaching has avoided their injuries and have taken them further in the postseason. Kyle had his shot, he blew it and while rob is present and playing, his injury is really costing him the 2013 season. I was for rob to not start the year. He needs to rest. Kyle was supposed to retool the offense to his strengths. Wasn't that done last year, sort of? Where is the offense for a < healthy QB who is his former self? The offense is disgusting right now.

To quote the most scholarly source, he's a "bama" or "ma' ba" which has yet to be fully understood.....

[firstdown]

So what your saying is teams are not affraid of RGII's arm unless he is able to run which I agree. He is not a pocket passer and needs his legs to be affective.