Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

To me that pic says it all.Listening to ESPN 980 on the way to work,they were only putting 1 sack on the off line,the other 2 he had rec's open.
For all the people that want to believe its not VY2's fault,can you find me one football analyst,ex-qb,anybody that still thinks he's any good?
Those warm fuzzy memories from his first season are clouding a lot of peoples judgement who absolutely refuse to clean off their rose colored glasses.

Look at the chains on that picture. It was 3rd and 16. Throwing a 5 yard out wasn't going to help. He was looking down the field for more yards, personally I like that, still can't fumble though.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

strong post...but the only name which has really affected RG3 is obviously Trent. Maybe TE to an extent, but they arent known for blocking

I don't know if you could say that. I mean not having your biggest WR threat in DeSean Jackson changes what the opposing defense needs to worry about. Not having Trent creates a ripple effect along the O-line as far as communication and responsibilities go. That coupled with TEs that are still learning the offense and their own responsibilities would seem to contribute to the jail breaks we saw last night....the right side of the O-line is what it is though. They need to get better, and I believe they will.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Ha! No way he plays 16 games

I'm a Skins fan, what I Want and what actually happens are never close lol. But I can dream.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

2-0 because of back ups. Good teams don't give a hoot about winning preseason games.

"You play to win the game"

Herm Edwards

Rather be 2-0 with lots of work to do than 0-2 with lots of work to do. And I want our backups to be better than our opponents we will need a lot of them at some point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Look at the chains on that picture. It was 3rd and 16. Throwing a 5 yard out wasn't going to help. He was looking down the field for more yards, personally I like that, still can't fumble though.

This goes to him being ordinary, vs a superstar. The ordinary middle pack qb throws it to one of those 3 guys and lets them take a shot. The superstar runs. You want to be the superstar don't fumble the ball as you start to run untouched. You want to be ordinary throw to the guy you think has the best chance to make a play. You want to be better then KC, throw a deep pass to a guy past the chains where only he can make a play on it.

You want to be out of the NFL fumble the ball at the 9 yd line then lay on the ground for 5 minutes while your body aches. I'm not saying he wasn't injured or was faking, or that I even have a clue about how bad he was feeling and in what way, but I am saying you want to be the best then barring broken bones/ACL/MCL type injuries you get up, you shake off the play, get off the field and get checked.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This goes to him being ordinary, vs a superstar. The ordinary middle pack qb throws it to one of those 3 guys and lets them take a shot. The superstar runs. You want to be the superstar don't fumble the ball as you start to run untouched. You want to be ordinary throw to the guy you think has the best chance to make a play. You want to be better then KC, throw a deep pass to a guy past the chains where only he can make a play on it.

You want to be out of the NFL fumble the ball at the 9 yd line then lay on the ground for 5 minutes while your body aches. I'm not saying he wasn't injured or was faking, or that I even have a clue about how bad he was feeling and in what way, but I am saying you want to be the best then barring broken bones/ACL/MCL type injuries you get up, you shake off the play, get off the field and get checked.

Yeah, he wasn't going to get the 1st down running either. I like looking down the field first for a big play, then taking the shorter route, running wasn't necessarily a good option. But you need to have some time in protection to actually take a shot down field. Didn't get much of that last night.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I dont know if either one of them were but since you posted this and Ive been listening to the radio,I've heard people say it was the same people on defense and offense when Colt took over.
I'm sure VY2 wont play next week so we wont be able to evaluate him,but I would bet the line doesnt have the same problems next week.

Just heard on the radio Griff concuss not that bad,maybe he'll play next week,hope so,he needs the reps

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who is satisfied?

Personally I just don't think he can be properly evaluated when the OL was such a major problem.

Even on quick drops he was getting hit.

How can you say that when he fumbled twice when there was no reason to? Sorry but when he's fumbled probably over 30 times in his career you have to evaluate two fumbles in one quarter of play.

Even when BS got backed into him he has to be able to see/feel that and either slide or just take the sack. But DO NOT turn around and run backwards. He's still doing that in year 4. Inexcusable.

[JoeRedskin]

Coming in the middle here ... but, was at the game. Came away feeling like neither Jay nor RGIII is close to what I had hoped they would be.

The more I thought about that, the deeper and more depressed I got.

[Ruhskins]

Another issue that I had with the team last night is the lack of adjustment once they saw that the first-team offensive line was getting pounded. Where were the screen passes, possible read-option, and quick/short slants?

This team needs to stop depending solely on QB play; and learn to adjust when the o-line is not being effective. Focus more on the run, and make the passing game complimentary to the run. This should be happening, regardless of who's back there at QB.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Coming in the middle here ... but, was at the game. Came away feeling like neither Jay nor RGIII is close to what I had hoped they would be.

The more I thought about that, the deeper and more depressed I got.

I cant wait till they get out of fed ex. that spot looked depressing on tv...zero energy. I feel terrible you were there to witness it...It looked absolutely horrible on tv.

People here at working are just laughing at the Skins. Litterally one guy saw me enter the building and he just started laughing...uncontrollably.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

"You play to win the game"

Herm Edwards

Rather be 2-0 with lots of work to do than 0-2 with lots of work to do. And I want our backups to be better than our opponents we will need a lot of them at some point.

nope, worst case we are 1-1, this was a throw away game where coaches should have been looking at our players and what they can do. I go back to the decision not to try for an end game field goal as partial proof that at least in one instance that was not their intent.

[Chico23231]

i want to revisit the last play of the first half.

First, remove all throwable objects within 3 feet of you.

Then, pull the play up in your head. Lets all pause and remember.

Now sit in disbelief.

Reflect on our disaster at QB

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who is satisfied?

Personally I just don't think he can be properly evaluated when the OL was such a major problem.

Even on quick drops he was getting hit.

I agree, but at some point shouldn't he be making his pre-snap reads and making adjustments at the line? I don't think he grasps that part of the game yet. The o-line was horrible, but RG3 could've made some adjustments at the line and changed the play or find his hot read.

While I agree that he can't be judged on last nights performance, he needs to show some more progress in terms of reading the defense prior to the snap. I can't remember the last time I saw RG3 audible out of a play.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Yeah, he wasn't going to get the 1st down running either. I like looking down the field first for a big play, then taking the shorter route, running wasn't necessarily a good option. But you need to have some time in protection to actually take a shot down field. Didn't get much of that last night.

assuming the play call is designed for a long pass play ... 5 step drop w pass pro knowing the ball will not come out right away.

if the play is not designed to give RG3 more than 3 seconds .. he cant be looking to make the big play.

He has to play within the system and what the other 10 guys on the field are expecting. Problem is he either doesnt understand the concepts or he just wants to play it his way.

on 3 step drops, we have consistently been told the QB is to plant his foot on step 3 and get rid of the ball quickly. I feel somewhat bad for RG3 last night bc he just hesitated a second after his 3rd step and then he would get hit.

on some plays his footwork was so bad you couldnt tell if he was doing a 3 step or a 1 step then shuffle.

RG3 cant look big play if the play call is a quick play. period.