Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.

I think you trade him because his value won't be any higher, one thing that has helped a lot of younger QBs is having that veteran backup to help mentor them. Hasselbeck did it for Luck, Griff never had that. So I think we should trade Kirk for a 2nd and a 3rd and sign a potential veteran backup. That can't hurt.

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You forget about Rex?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You forget about Rex?

Nah, just chose not to include him. I meant as a primary backup but yeah Rex fits that mold.

[DynamiteRave]

Need to Know: Shanahan says Redskins’ offense did not change for Cousins | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

Just some notes about Shanny's presser yesterday, in case it wasn't talked about.

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Originally Posted by Hog1

If you base all your decisions on numbers..........it is a blessing you will not be making any decisions regarding the team.........

Yeah because than someone might add up all of Shannys wins and losses and shitcan his dumb.....
Hey wait a minute?

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Just some more light reading. LOL.

Griffin’s stubbornness was crystallized by a moment in a recent game. After he threw an errant pass and the offensive series ended, he came to the sideline and talked with quarterback coach Matt LaFleur, who was in the coaches' box (not on the sideline as originally reported here).

LaFleur, a former quarterback who never played in the NFL but has coached in the league for six years, began explaining to Griffin that part of the problem with the throw was his poor footwork, an issue that many observers around the league have noted about Griffin as he has struggled this season. As LaFleur continued to talk, Griffin grew impatient and brushed off the instruction.

“I just have to make that throw,” Griffin said, according to two team sources who were aware of the conversation. The reaction was not considered mean-spirited, but it was dismissive and spoke to the larger issue of how difficult Griffin has become to coach this season as he has struggled with physical limitations from his knee injury at the end of the 2012 playoffs.

LaFleur, a former quarterback who never played in the NFL but has coached in the league for six years, began explaining to Griffin that part of the problem with the throw was his poor footwork, an issue that many observers around the league have noted about Griffin as he has struggled this season. As LaFleur continued to talk, Griffin grew impatient and brushed off the instruction.

“I just have to make that throw,” Griffin said, according to two team sources who were aware of the conversation. The reaction was not considered mean-spirited, but it was dismissive and spoke to the larger issue of how difficult Griffin has become to coach this season as he has struggled with physical limitations from his knee injury at the end of the 2012 playoffs.]

In addition, Griffin’s father has increasingly become the kind of nuisance that some people warned NFL executives about before the 2012 draft. In recent weeks, according to two sources close to the situation, the elder Griffin has politicked Snyder to hire Baylor coach Art Briles, who coached the younger Griffin to a Heisman Trophy, to replace Shanahan.

In Griffin’s rookie season in 2012, precision accuracy wasn’t as critical because his speed forced defenses to play him differently and opposing teams hadn’t scouted him thoroughly. Defenses had to play man-to-man coverage in the secondary and bring extra defenders up front to deal with Griffin’s running ability. His reads were much easier.

But as Griffin has struggled to regain his world-class speed and teams have come up with ways to defend him, there has been a significant decline in his performance across the board. His accuracy (from 65.6 to 60.1 percent), TD-to-interception ratio (20-5 to 16-12) and quarterback rating (102.4 to 82.2) have all declined sharply.

“You could see this coming in the offseason with the way he was working,” a team source said this week. “It’s not that he wasn’t working hard. He was. He was working to come back as quickly as he could. But he wasn’t working on the things to become a better (pocket) quarterback. ... Now, we’ve gotten this deep in the season, and he’s still doing things wrong, like his footwork.”

Cousins got off to a strong start toward that end by completing 29 of 45 passes for 381 yards, three touchdowns and two interceptions in Sunday's 27-26 loss to Atlanta. That game matches up with just about any performance by Griffin this season.

Furthermore, the logic of whether to have Griffin play comes down to whether he’ll listen, two team sources said.

“I hear people say that he should just continue to play. But if you just keep doing the wrong things, you’re not getting better,” one of the team sources said. “You just get more accustomed to doing the wrong things.”

But as Shanahan pointed out last week, he only sat Griffin after consulting with Snyder.

“I could have done this without discussing it with Dan, but I wanted him to be a part of a decision this important and understand where I was coming from,” Shanahan said.

Thus, the question now is whether Snyder agrees with some in the organization that he needs to deconstruct some of Griffin’s confidence/arrogance before building it back up. And if so, Snyder needs to decide if Shanahan, who only has one year left on his contract, will be the coach to do the project.

RGIII's Stubbornness and His Father's Interference Bedevil Shanahan, Redskins | Bleacher Report

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Need to Know: Shanahan says Redskins’ offense did not change for Cousins | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

Just some notes about Shanny's presser yesterday, in case it wasn't talked about.

LOL. That is such a fun play on words.

I think we can all agree that the offense we saw last year which took the team to the playoffs was not the exact same offense we saw two years prior.

and.... I'm telling you this years offense is not the same as last years offense. From what I'm seeing. Yes some of last years plays are involved, but it does not look exactly the same. I see less read option plays.

Which has led me to believe that while RG3 was mobile his first year the coaching staff used what RG3 knew... the Baylor offense. Now that RG3 is hurt and his speed has dropped due to the injury they have used less read options this year and have tried to keep RG3 in the pocket more.

So yea, the offense didn't change... this year between the two QB's, but it did change between the two years. I think DS has a lot of decisions to make, does he want the Redskins to run the Spread/Read Option or get away from it. Why is this important? cause RG3 is obviously better in the Spread/Read Option because of speed, but Cousins has better pocket presence and plays better in the traditional WC offense.

Can RG3 develop into a pocket passer and be good in a traditional NFL offense? sure, maybe. I say maybe cause look what happened to J.Campbell. We drafted him in the 1st round also, he was supposed to be our "Franchise" QB, he didn't have the mechanics down, and his pocket presence was bad. To be honest that sounds just like RG3 except we gave up a ton of picks for RG3.

[DynamiteRave]

I was going to post that same Bleacher Report article, though not for the same reasons; Figured it'd be the leak of the week.

Article talks about how RGII is basically a "stage dad" and that he was the one campaigning for Briles to be brought to coach next year. I'm looking at you SS, any truth to that that you know of?

[SBXVII]

I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.

Would you like to see RG-3, Shanny, or both back next year? I cannot tell who you are in favor, or not in favor of?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I was going to post that same Bleacher Report article, though not for the same reasons; Figured it'd be the leak of the week.

Article talks about how RGII is basically a "stage dad" and that he was the one campaigning for Briles to be brought to coach next year. I'm looking at you SS, any truth to that that you know of?

Man if all of this is true I will kinda lose a lot of liking for Griffin, u can't be a brat about everything

[skinsfan69]

So tired of the drama that surrounds the RG3 corporation. It's something new every day it seems. Snyder needs to clean up this mess. His house is dirty right now.

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I find it interesting also how people said I was "Assuming" a lot when I said that MS changed the offense to suit RG3 and because of mobility issues MS switched to more of his scheme.

One only has to read between the lines... why would the coaching staff use one scheme for two years then the third year use more of a college scheme? Then this year seem to back off the college scheme so much and use more of the original scheme?

Not that we couldn't see it but now all the news comes out that RG3 has bed footwork, no pocket presence, reads only one side of the defense, etc. etc. Folks we lived through this once before in J.Campbell so none of this is new to us. It's just Campbell part 2. Although RG3 seems smarter and wiser though.

A smarter and wiser man does not spend his entire time recovering in the media. He is the first player I can recall doing so many interviews while he was rehabbing. You didn't see or hear from Adrian Peterson when he was rehabbing his knee. Smarter men know when to STFU.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So here is a question. What we've seen from Robert in a normal pro-style offense has been from mediocre to downright bad.


Providing a new coach comes in, how long are you willing to give him before competition comes into play? This isn't going to be his rookie year, this will be going on his 3rd year. So how long are you willing to invest time into him before you say enough? What if we start out the season pretty much like we did this past?



That said, do you really want to trade Kirk? Why not keep him around until after year 3 so if Griff doesn't click next year, we have a possible solution at the QB spot.

Neither should be traded until after the 2014 season. Griff should get his full off season and go into the off season as the starter. However, if he's outperformed in these mini camps, OTA's and training camp by Cousins then he shouldn't go into next season as the starter. If it's vice versa then Griff should start. The best guy should play. End of discussion. I'm sure everyone is tired of losing, so play whoever gives you the best chance to win. I think whoever coaches the team will feel the same way.

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I was going to post that same Bleacher Report article, though not for the same reasons; Figured it'd be the leak of the week.

Article talks about how RGII is basically a "stage dad" and that he was the one campaigning for Briles to be brought to coach next year. I'm looking at you SS, any truth to that that you know of?

I have no idea