Cheney treated like others, angry about it

djnemo65 · 01-25-2007, 06:10 PM

Gay marriage was a phony wedge issue used to rile up the conservative christians in middle america. It was a strategy that worked - Bush got reelected. How much political capital have they expended on getting that amendment through after the election? Where is the push to get it ratified? Instead they decided they would try to privatize social security.

Anyway, I think Cheney should at least clarify how he can be part of an administration that openly discriminates against his daughter. If you want to cozy up to the Christian right to win elections you have to be publically accountable for that.

dmek25 · 01-25-2007, 06:13 PM

i couldnt have said that any better

dmek25 · 01-25-2007, 06:14 PM

but, accountability is something this adminstration doesnt know anything about

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-25-2007, 08:31 PM

The gay marriage debate was definately lacking in substance and was used to simply get W re-elected. However, meaningless issues forced upon us by idiot politicians pandering for votes is nothing new.

SkinEmAll · 01-25-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

Gay marriage was a phony wedge issue used to rile up the conservative christians in middle america. It was a strategy that worked - Bush got reelected. How much political capital have they expended on getting that amendment through after the election? Where is the push to get it ratified? Instead they decided they would try to privatize social security.

Anyway, I think Cheney should at least clarify how he can be part of an administration that openly discriminates against his daughter. If you want to cozy up to the Christian right to win elections you have to be publically accountable for that.

Well cheney had no choice in his daughters sexuality. If you are born gay, your gay. pretty simple. Discriminates? because they dont want to change the law? I feel like, whats the big deal with trying to change it really? If gays want to be together,.... be together. I dont care. I dont think that qualifys as discrimination. And Blitzer is one of the bigger democratic ball kissers around. His question was nothing more than an attempt to ruffle and disrespect the VP. His daughter has been discussed SO many times, and he has talked openly and at length about it, that their was no real reason to ask about her.

Redskins8588 · 01-26-2007, 12:01 AM

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

djnemo65 · 01-26-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

I think that's well said. I am not exactly Martin Luther King, but I do think I would have the principle in that situation to go into the president's office and say, we have to abandon this issue or I'm stepping down. I mean, it wouldn't be a question.

GhettoDogAllStars · 01-26-2007, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

... and that's why Cheney is a coward.

djnemo said it best: Cheney should've stepped down.

firstdown · 01-26-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

He has backed his daughter and if you do a search there are plenty of articles about his stance on the issue. Cheney at odds with Bush on gay marriage - Politics - MSNBC.com

firstdown · 01-26-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

Gay marriage was a phony wedge issue used to rile up the conservative christians in middle america. It was a strategy that worked - Bush got reelected. How much political capital have they expended on getting that amendment through after the election? Where is the push to get it ratified? Instead they decided they would try to privatize social security.

Anyway, I think Cheney should at least clarify how he can be part of an administration that openly discriminates against his daughter. If you want to cozy up to the Christian right to win elections you have to be publically accountable for that.

I guess you would have to say that Clinton and everyone who voted for this bill he signed discriminated against gays.Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dmek25 · 01-26-2007, 01:03 PM

why does everything in politics have to be about bill clinton? he must have been one helluva president

firstdown · 01-26-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

why does everything in politics have to be about bill clinton? he must have been one helluva president

Becaus most who bash bush supported Clinton and seem to forget that he passed similar laws.

FRPLG · 01-26-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

why does everything in politics have to be about bill clinton? he must have been one helluva president

Just like everything for everyone else is George Bush?

Redskins8588 · 01-26-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

He has backed his daughter and if you do a search there are plenty of articles about his stance on the issue. Cheney at odds with Bush on gay marriage - Politics - MSNBC.com

Ok then whats the big deal if Wolf asks him questions about it in an interview?

724Skinsfan · 01-26-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Ok then whats the big deal if Wolf asks him questions about it in an interview?

The big deal simply seems to stem from the fact that it was a question that involves Cheney and his family on a personal level. There are a lot of other issues to deal with that Cheney can answer without going into something that diametrically opposes his party's position. I think Mr. Blitzer should've simply crossed that off of his list of things to ask.

01-25-2007, 06:10 PM	#46
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Cheney treated like others, angry about it Gay marriage was a phony wedge issue used to rile up the conservative christians in middle america. It was a strategy that worked - Bush got reelected. How much political capital have they expended on getting that amendment through after the election? Where is the push to get it ratified? Instead they decided they would try to privatize social security. Anyway, I think Cheney should at least clarify how he can be part of an administration that openly discriminates against his daughter. If you want to cozy up to the Christian right to win elections you have to be publically accountable for that.

01-25-2007, 06:13 PM	#47
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Cheney treated like others, angry about it i couldnt have said that any better __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-25-2007, 06:14 PM	#48
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Cheney treated like others, angry about it but, accountability is something this adminstration doesnt know anything about __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-25-2007, 08:31 PM	#49
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Cheney treated like others, angry about it The gay marriage debate was definately lacking in substance and was used to simply get W re-elected. However, meaningless issues forced upon us by idiot politicians pandering for votes is nothing new.

01-26-2007, 12:01 AM	#51
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: Cheney treated like others, angry about it I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them. I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue. I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

01-26-2007, 01:03 PM	#56
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Cheney treated like others, angry about it why does everything in politics have to be about bill clinton? he must have been one helluva president __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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