Draft Day Trades: Jets Interested? (rumor)

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

I hope you're right b/c I hate the trade. Betts and Portis are major weapons and will both go for 1000 if healthy. Look at Indy's two headed monster approach. Last year Betts balls dropped and he became a passing and running threat to be dealt with, that will motivate CP that much more. Why don't we draft a player at # 6.

Last time we had a pick that low we got Sean Taylor...........

Now if our QB, O-line, D-line, and receivers were as good as Indy's we would win it all.

The Redskins problem is that they have so few positions where they have a good starter and backup and they have several holes. Look at last year. When Springs went down the D-literally fell apart. During the last couple of years, when Griff is hurt or out, the line looks like swiss cheese.

I don't see how the front office can ignore a legitimate trade offer for Betts when ideally, he will touch the ball 6 - 8 times a game. As far as a backup for Portis, there will be plenty of quality runningbacks available for a reasonable price. (Warrick Dunn comes to mind) There are plenty of runningbacks available every off-season.

Assuming that the Jet's rumor has some validity, I think they could work that trade with the Jets where they either keep the #6 pick or get more picks out of the Jets.

Of course the Jets would aim high with the first offer. We love dumping picks to them and Denver.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Now if our QB, O-line, D-line, and receivers were as good as Indy's we would win it all.

The Redskins problem is that they have so few positions where they have a good starter and backup and they have several holes. Look at last year. When Springs went down the D-literally fell apart. During the last couple of years, when Griff is hurt or out, the line looks like swiss cheese.

I don't see how the front office can ignore a legitimate trade offer for Betts when ideally, he will touch the ball 6 - 8 times a game. As far as a backup for Portis, there will be plenty of quality runningbacks available for a reasonable price. (Warrick Dunn comes to mind) There are plenty of runningbacks available every off-season.

Assuming that the Jet's rumor has some validity, I think they could work that trade with the Jets where they either keep the #6 pick or get more picks out of the Jets.

Of course the Jets would aim high with the first offer. We love dumping picks to them and Denver.

OUR OLINE IS JUST AS GOOD AS INDY'S IF NOT BETTER and trading betts would be the dumbest thing the redskins ever did since signing adam archuleta to a 30 million dollar deal i say we re-sign dockery pick up clements and fletcher and go for branch first but if he's gone get gaines adams that will shore up our defense leave the offense be we have weapons there and since we dont pick again until the 5th round we sohuld look for a true kick returner althugh rock did a decent job for us look at the numbers we have had 3 kickoff returns for touchdowns by rock, ladell, and antonio brown who was cut so just think if we had a devin hester, or a eddie drummond our avg starting field position was one of the worst in the league last year and i would much rather have campbell who is still developing to have to go 50-60 yards to score rather than 75-80

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

OUR OLINE IS JUST AS GOOD AS INDY'S IF NOT BETTER and trading betts would be the dumbest thing the redskins ever did since signing adam archuleta to a 30 million dollar deal i say we re-sign dockery pick up clements and fletcher and go for branch first but if he's gone get gaines adams that will shore up our defense leave the offense be we have weapons there and since we dont pick again until the 5th round we sohuld look for a true kick returner althugh rock did a decent job for us look at the numbers we have had 3 kickoff returns for touchdowns by rock, ladell, and antonio brown who was cut so just think if we had a devin hester, or a eddie drummond our avg starting field position was one of the worst in the league last year and i would much rather have campbell who is still developing to have to go 50-60 yards to score rather than 75-80

HA HA HA HA

Dude, it is Friday and I just got off work. Please pass what you are smoking.

Give me one example (besides that you typed it in capital letters) how our offensive line is better than Indy's.

I will give you three why they are better. Indy's offense finishes drives with touchdowns typically with runs, Indy's won the Superbowl. They have two pro-bowlers.

Your turn (in lowercase please).

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

hmmm. Im kind of in the RB and LB are a dime a dozen camp unless they are unreal beasts aka, Tomlinson, Urlacher, Lewis. The best thing about Betts aside from his ability is the fact that his agent is a complete moron and got him locked into a team friendly deal right before he could have seen a huge payday. He really does solidify the RB position at back up money for years to come. You would have to pay a player like Vilma a ton. Moreover, I am starting to think that the biggest problem we have been having with the big contracts is actually the ego/motivation impact they seem to have on the team. Given that we are impervious to salary cap hell, but tend to stink on gameday, I think compiling more players with Betts like skill and salary could be a blueprint for success. We could use more solid if unspectacular players, at a resonable and more importantly ego dampening price. You pay the big bucks ONLY to the team leaders and the superathletes who are the CORE of the team. Overpay for those guys if you have to. The other guys look up to them and respect them, but know their place on the team. If they want too much, they are replaced. Because of the fact that there seems to be no method to our compensation packages, (coaches included), it seems to affect the chain of command of the entire organization. Who is in charge? Who do I HAVE to listen to. Who are THE core players? Who is the REAL head coach. Honestly, come to think of it, I think that the main reason we were all so excited when Joe Gibbs came back was because we imagined that he would bring a very clear sense of leadership and direction to the team. It may well be that his major failing has been in this regard since his return. With JG, GW and Al Saunders, we are dealing with a three headed monster in terms of leadership and direction. That seems to flow down to the players and is compounded by the overspending. The core players should get the money, and the team should scheme around there particular strengths. On the same token, the coaching staff should have a clear outline of who is in charge. It is one thing to say Joe Gibbs is in charge, another thing entirely to know he is. I think that Joe hopefully already has this figured out. It seems that he took control of the team late last season by reaserting his coaching philosophy that we would be a running, smashmouth football team. Unfortunately, it was already too late to save the season. However, I believe that both GW and Saunders got put back in there place and now the team might have a clear understanding of what they are expected to be: a Joe Gibbs football team.
With that in mind, Betts is a more than servicable starter and a very strong role player/backup with a good contract who fits the mold of a power running team. That much we know. Is Vilma one of THE two or three guys you plan to build your entire defense around? A trade like that is only worth it if your answer is yes, because you will have to pay him like a top two or three defender. The same goes for the number six pick. Is the player we draft there going to be one of those two or three guys that makes huge money and is a cornerstone of the franchise? To me, if none of those defenders fits that mold, you either trade down in hopes of landing more solid Betts type players which every good team needs, or you use the pick as leverage to get a guy like Vilma or whoever else you have decided to build around.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

hmmm. Im kind of in the RB and LB are a dime a dozen camp unless they are unreal beasts aka, Tomlinson, Urlacher, Lewis. The best thing about Betts aside from his ability is the fact that his agent is a complete moron and got him locked into a team friendly deal right before he could have seen a huge payday. He really does solidify the RB position at back up money for years to come. You would have to pay a player like Vilma a ton. Moreover, I am starting to think that the biggest problem we have been having with the big contracts is actually the ego/motivation impact they seem to have on the team. Given that we are impervious to salary cap hell, but tend to stink on gameday, I think compiling more players with Betts like skill and salary could be a blueprint for success. We could use more solid if unspectacular players, at a resonable and more importantly ego dampening price. You pay the big bucks ONLY to the team leaders and the superathletes who are the CORE of the team. Overpay for those guys if you have to. The other guys look up to them and respect them, but know their place on the team. If they want too much, they are replaced. Because of the fact that there seems to be no method to our compensation packages, (coaches included), it seems to affect the chain of command of the entire organization. Who is in charge? Who do I HAVE to listen to. Who are THE core players? Who is the REAL head coach. Honestly, come to think of it, I think that the main reason we were all so excited when Joe Gibbs came back was because we imagined that he would bring a very clear sense of leadership and direction to the team. It may well be that his major failing has been in this regard since his return. With JG, GW and Al Saunders, we are dealing with a three headed monster in terms of leadership and direction. That seems to flow down to the players and is compounded by the overspending. The core players should get the money, and the team should scheme around there particular strengths. On the same token, the coaching staff should have a clear outline of who is in charge. It is one thing to say Joe Gibbs is in charge, another thing entirely to know he is. I think that Joe hopefully already has this figured out. It seems that he took control of the team late last season by reaserting his coaching philosophy that we would be a running, smashmouth football team. Unfortunately, it was already too late to save the season. However, I believe that both GW and Saunders got put back in there place and now the team might have a clear understanding of what they are expected to be: a Joe Gibbs football team.
With that in mind, Betts is a more than servicable starter and a very strong role player/backup with a good contract who fits the mold of a power running team. That much we know. Is Vilma one of THE two or three guys you plan to build your entire defense around? A trade like that is only worth it if your answer is yes, because you will have to pay him like a top two or three defender. The same goes for the number six pick. Is the player we draft there going to be one of those two or three guys that makes huge money and is a cornerstone of the franchise? To me, if none of those defenders fits that mold, you either trade down in hopes of landing more solid Betts type players which every good team needs, or you use the pick as leverage to get a guy like Vilma or whoever else you have decided to build around.

Betts wanted to be here, thats why HE agreed to the deal.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

Betts wanted to be here, thats why HE agreed to the deal.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he re-signed with a handshake agreement that the team would still consider offers for him if it meant a shot at a starting job.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I also wouldn't be surprised if he re-signed with a handshake agreement that the team would still consider offers for him if it meant a shot at a starting job.

Ive thought about that possibility also matty. I would not have a problem at all if a deal was done like that. I mean seriously, if their was a understanding that if a offer came that was good for the skins and put betts in a starting role, that would be fine with me.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Correction I Said Our Starting Field Position Was One Of The Worst Not The Worse And There Are Alot Of Returners Who Aren't Devin Hester You Just Don'thear Bout Them Cause It's Devin Hester

Eddie Drummond
Dante Hall
Justin Miller
Jerome Mathis

I Am Not Saying That It Is A Pressing Issue Cause It Isn't I Would Just Like To See An Upgrade Their In The Draft With Our 5th Pick Cause Rock Cartwright Just Isnt The Fastest Guy And That Return He Had Against The Cowboys Was Purely Great Blocking

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Correction I Said Our Starting Field Position Was One Of The Worst Not The Worse And There Are Alot Of Returners Who Aren't Devin Hester You Just Don'thear Bout Them Cause It's Devin Hester

Eddie Drummond
Dante Hall
Justin Miller
Jerome Mathis

I Am Not Saying That It Is A Pressing Issue Cause It Isn't I Would Just Like To See An Upgrade Their In The Draft With Our 5th Pick Cause Rock Cartwright Just Isnt The Fastest Guy And That Return He Had Against The Cowboys Was Purely Great Blocking

drummond isn't that great, the rest are good upgrades, but i don't think we'll be able to land any of them. and yeah rock isn't the fastest guy, but he can break a few tackles, and gibbs prefers RBs for kickoff duty for that reason.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

NOW TELL ME WHAT ARE THE SKINS MOST PRESSING NEEDS


PROBLEMEFENSIVE LINE, SOLUTION draft either alan branch, or gaines adams

problem: CORNERBACKS: SOLUTION: go after nate clements and if that falls through asante samuel i dont want to see fred smoot rocking a redskins jersey unless he bought it at the mall

problem: linebacker play SOLUTION: SIGN FLECTHER TO A 2 OR 3 YEAR DEAL NO MARK BRUNELL 2004 CONTRACTS AND LET HIM SHORE THAT UP FOR 2 YEARS IN THE MEAN TIME FIND AN EVENTUAL REPLACEMENT

problem: LOSING SOLUTION: SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THE OPPOSITION

PROBLEM: KICKER: WHO THE HELL IS SHAUN SUISHAM AND JOHN HALL COST US THE VIKING GAME WITH HIS GARBAGE ALWAYS INJURED SELF SOLUTION: FIND A NEW GOOD KICKER

AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE REDSKINS HAD AT LEAST ONE PICK IN EACH ROUND OF THE SAME DRAFT I WILL SETTLE FOR THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

well that theory by joe gibbs is stupid look at the best k. returners in the league they are not running backs they arecorners, and recievers and where were you when drummond went to the pro bowl for kick returning and had 3 consecutive kick or punt returns for tds

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

well that theory by joe gibbs is stupid look at the best k. returners in the league they are not running backs they arecorners, and recievers and where were you when drummond went to the pro bowl for kick returning and had 3 consecutive kick or punt returns for tds

brian mitchell is the all time leader in return yards. he played for gibbs. he was a running back.

and where were you, last year drummond didn't make the top 30 in kick returns, and in 2005 he was #27. that's really not very good compared to who we already have.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

touche i like you bringin him up very very nice i though about him after i posted the other thing but i mean righ now and brian mitchell was way more explosive than rock cartwrigh who a few years ago had a 75 speed rating on madden and he ran a 4.79 at his combine or was it 4.89 i cant remember joe gibbs is kinda coaching in thepast man and that needs to stop now running backs arent used for kick returns as much cause wrs and dbs are better at it

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

touche i like you bringin him up very very nice i though about him after i posted the other thing but i mean righ now and brian mitchell was way more explosive than rock cartwrigh who a few years ago had a 75 speed rating on madden and he ran a 4.79 at his combine or was it 4.89 i cant remember joe gibbs is kinda coaching in thepast man and that needs to stop now running backs arent used for kick returns as much cause wrs and dbs are better at it

Last time I checked, a) Madden ratings dont mean crap in the actual National Football League, and B) I thought Rock Cartwright did a HELLAVA job for us last year returning kicks, and I have absolutley no problems with him being there next year and beyond. He runs striaght up the damn feild and consistenly got us to the 30 yard line or beoynd which is all you can ask for

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

touche i like you bringin him up very very nice i though about him after i posted the other thing but i mean righ now and brian mitchell was way more explosive than rock cartwrigh who a few years ago had a 75 speed rating on madden and he ran a 4.79 at his combine or was it 4.89 i cant remember joe gibbs is kinda coaching in thepast man and that needs to stop now running backs arent used for kick returns as much cause wrs and dbs are better at it

I disagree. Running backs are BETTER at returning kicks than DBs and WRs because they actually carry the ball as part of their job. They won't fumble as much, and they tend to have better vision than WRs or DBs. Rock was a consistent returner. He took the ball, saw the lane, got up the field and actually broke tackles. All returners can break one from time to time (rock's no exception), but guys like Devin Hester will always return to earth in the manner that Dante Hall did back in 2004.

Our return game is fine and dandy with Rock returning kicks and Randle El returning punts.

Any RB (or receiveing-style FB) can return kicks in my opinion.