Bill Cowher!!

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 11-06-2007, 10:35 PM

we will win this weekend, but he road gets alot harder after that

SmootSmack · 11-06-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

As good of a coach Cowher, no one going to be consistant winner unless our front office changes. We need a GM, We all love Gibbs but he does not have a good eye for talent. Lloyd,Duckett,Howard,Brunell etc.

Moss, Portis, Cooley, Taylor, Landry, Campbell, Springs, etc.

GusFrerotte · 11-07-2007, 12:01 AM

Folks Coach Gibbs is a great guy and was a great coach during his first tenure here, but things were a lot more conducive to a title run back in 1981-1992 than now. Consider:

1. No FA in the Gibbs I era
2. No thuggish/greedy prime dona environment in the NFL at the time that came
as part of the ridiculous salaries these guys get paid.
3. Expansion has split the once huge Skins TV/revenue market between 3
teams(Ravens, Skins, Panthers)

Thing is we do not have the front office like we used to and also with the salary cap having a rich guy like Snyder as owner doesn't mean squat. Snyder also interferes,unlike MR Cook Sr that let Bobby Beathred do the football stuff. The old adage is th at lightning doesn't strike twice and I think that will be the case with Gibbs II. I would like to be wrong about this, but I doubt I will be when all is said and done. The NFL is also all about the above mentioned markets. When Gibbs was here for the first go round, Skins country consisted of E Pa, MD, VA,W Va, and both Carolinas. A huge market that generated a ton of $$$$$$$$$ for the NFL, so it was natural for the Skins to be able to prosper also. It made sense to the NFL to let the Skins succeed. Now I don't think they care since the market is so small.

GusFrerotte · 11-07-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Moss, Portis, Cooley, Taylor, Landry, Campbell, Springs, etc.

Jury is still out on Campbell. Springs was a good acquisition, but can he stay healthy an entire season? Moss IMHO has had two very good years and then a major drop off. He is hurting still and should be benched to get 100%. We wasted a lot of $$$$$$$$ with Duckett. Dumb move period. Brunell basically cost Gibbs any chance of success of getting the franchise back. MB hung in there in '05 but reverted to '04 form when it counted in the playoffs. Giving up 1st round picks for FAs all the time is moronic, as it is expensive. A GM would really help the franchise.

SmootSmack · 11-07-2007, 12:22 AM

Sometimes I think I would just love it if we hired a General Manager (whatever that means exactly) and then the team absolutley tanked. Just so people could get off this notion that a GM is going to magically solve everything and make no mistakes.

Who says we're giving up 1st round picks for FAs all the time?

KLHJ2 · 11-07-2007, 12:35 AM

I have heard the opinion from other fans that Danny should respectfully remove Gibbs from the Head coaching position and make him the GM. Hand the HC position over to either GW or Cowher (if there is any truth to that rumor), and give Saunders 1 year to fix this offense.

I am on the fence with this idea and it probably will never happen, but I have heard it brought up by more than one fan on more than one occasion.

GTripp0012 · 11-07-2007, 12:55 AM

Joe Gibbs era:

The good: Griffin, Portis, Washington, Sellers, Marshall (for a year at least), Taylor, Brunell, (arguably Pierce for giving him a shot), Springs, Cooley, Ryan Clark, Rogers, Campbell, Rabach, McIntosh, Montgomery, Golston, Randle El, Landry, Blades, Fletcher, Kendall, Carter (big maybe, IMO).

The bad: Barrow, Patten, Archuleta, letting Pierce go, letting Ryan Clark go, Fauria, Dallas Sartz, and like...Jordan Palmer.

The really really brutal: Lloyd, Duckett

Those are the facts, you be the judge.

MTRedskinsFan · 11-07-2007, 01:00 AM

I could prolly rename this thread "I was wrong when..." Basically I've been more outspoken than most about Gibbs 2nd tenure being a flop and coming to an end soon. I still feel he is on his way out after this season, but I think it was, and is, out of line to talk about new coaching talent brought in. Gibbs is smart, he brought GW to coach defense, he brought Saunders to coach offense. Both guys have been enormously successful at what they do, and maybe Gibbs has a vision of his own that includes those two guys running this team after he leaves the coaching staff (maybe even to run the front office).

SkinEmAll · 11-07-2007, 01:17 AM

[quote=GusFrerotte;374902]Folks Coach Gibbs is a great guy and was a great coach during his first tenure here, but things were a lot more conducive to a title run back in 1981-1992 than now. Consider:

1. No FA in the Gibbs I era
2. No thuggish/greedy prime dona environment in the NFL at the time that came
as part of the ridiculous salaries these guys get paid.
3. Expansion has split the once huge Skins TV/revenue market between 3
teams(Ravens, Skins, Panthers)

Thing is we do not have the front office like we used to and also with the salary cap having a rich guy like Snyder as owner doesn't mean squat. Snyder also interferes,unlike MR Cook Sr that let Bobby Beathred do the football stuff. The old adage is th at lightning doesn't strike twice and I think that will be the case with Gibbs II. I would like to be wrong about this, but I doubt I will be when all is said and done. The NFL is also all about the above mentioned markets. When Gibbs was here for the first go round, Skins country consisted of E Pa, MD, VA,W Va, and both Carolinas. A huge market that generated a ton of $$$$$$$$$ for the NFL, so it was natural for the Skins to be able to prosper also. It made sense to the NFL to let the Skins succeed. Now I don't think they care since the market is so small.[/quote]

WTF????? are you fuckin serious?!!! that is the stupidist thing Ive heard since the last time I came to the site and read another post almost as stupid as this. I am in complete agreement with the mods on their stand against stupid, worthless, & repeated topics. Ive come to the conclusion that some of you need to do one of the following:

a) quit drinking
b) drink more
c)quit doing drugs
d) do more drugs
e) get laid
f) yoga.........

SkinEmAll · 11-07-2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sometimes I think I would just love it if we hired a General Manager (whatever that means exactly) and then the team absolutley tanked. Just so people could get off this notion that a GM is going to magically solve everything and make no mistakes.

Who says we're giving up 1st round picks for FAs all the time?

Im with you bro. 100000000%

SkinEmAll · 11-07-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Great! I'm beginning to wonder if I'm on an Eagles' fan forum (no offense because the mods know I love the warpath.) We have a winning record and a great chance at improving on that record this weekend, and you guys are tasteless enough to talk about getting rid of Joe Gibbs in favor for starting all over again. Gluttons for punishment? I guess you guys just love staying in constant "rebuild" mode.

I couldnt agree more. I could not have put it into better words. very nicely done skinsguy.

offiss · 11-07-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Great! I'm beginning to wonder if I'm on an Eagles' fan forum (no offense because the mods know I love the warpath.) We have a winning record and a great chance at improving on that record this weekend, and you guys are tasteless enough to talk about getting rid of Joe Gibbs in favor for starting all over again. Gluttons for punishment? I guess you guys just love staying in constant "rebuild" mode.

No, they are tired of this constant state of were not rebuilding under Gibbs and failing the same old way week in and week out.

Some of these guys realize as I that this team is going no where regardless of our record, a trip to the playoffs to this team is nothing more than a weaker draft next year, and a symbol of how bad the rest of the NFC really is!

I guess we should leave it as is, tell me skinsguy what is your estimation of turn around for Gibbs? Or perhaps what should be a reasonable time frame for a new coaching staff to turn a team around?

irish · 11-07-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

I couldnt agree more. I could not have put it into better words. very nicely done skinsguy.

I dont think Gibbs can be fired nor do I think he should be. His recent tenure has been disappointing to say the least but it would be a PR nightmare for Danny to fire him. I hope this does not shock anyone but next year is the end of Gibbs contract and I would be shocked if he stayed any longer. Guess what that means? Rebuild time again. Even if they keep GW or AS as head coach I am sure they will want to do things their own way. This team is constantly rebuilding because they set them selves up to rebuild constantly. The poor results from this method speak for themselves. Hopefully someday the orgamization will see the light and right the ship. Until then its more of "hope we are a playoff team".

Bozzy · 11-07-2007, 08:58 AM

If Steinbrenner can fire Joe Torre (make him an offer designed to be rejected), then Snyder could do the same thing to Gibbs.

Not saying I want that to happen. Just saying.

MTK · 11-07-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bozzy

If Steinbrenner can fire Joe Torre (make him an offer designed to be rejected), then Snyder could do the same thing to Gibbs.

Not saying I want that to happen. Just saying.

It's apples and oranges.

Snyder has a different relationship with Gibbs vs. Steinbrenner and Torre.

Not to mention the relationship and legacy that Gibbs brings to the table with the fans.

11-06-2007, 10:35 PM	#46
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 58 Posts: 890	Re: Bill Cowher!! we will win this weekend, but he road gets alot harder after that

11-07-2007, 12:01 AM	#48
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Bill Cowher!! Folks Coach Gibbs is a great guy and was a great coach during his first tenure here, but things were a lot more conducive to a title run back in 1981-1992 than now. Consider: 1. No FA in the Gibbs I era 2. No thuggish/greedy prime dona environment in the NFL at the time that came as part of the ridiculous salaries these guys get paid. 3. Expansion has split the once huge Skins TV/revenue market between 3 teams(Ravens, Skins, Panthers) Thing is we do not have the front office like we used to and also with the salary cap having a rich guy like Snyder as owner doesn't mean squat. Snyder also interferes,unlike MR Cook Sr that let Bobby Beathred do the football stuff. The old adage is th at lightning doesn't strike twice and I think that will be the case with Gibbs II. I would like to be wrong about this, but I doubt I will be when all is said and done. The NFL is also all about the above mentioned markets. When Gibbs was here for the first go round, Skins country consisted of E Pa, MD, VA,W Va, and both Carolinas. A huge market that generated a ton of $$$$$$$$$ for the NFL, so it was natural for the Skins to be able to prosper also. It made sense to the NFL to let the Skins succeed. Now I don't think they care since the market is so small.

11-07-2007, 12:22 AM	#50
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Bill Cowher!! Sometimes I think I would just love it if we hired a General Manager (whatever that means exactly) and then the team absolutley tanked. Just so people could get off this notion that a GM is going to magically solve everything and make no mistakes. Who says we're giving up 1st round picks for FAs all the time? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-07-2007, 12:35 AM	#51
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 47 Posts: 5,829	Re: Bill Cowher!! I have heard the opinion from other fans that Danny should respectfully remove Gibbs from the Head coaching position and make him the GM. Hand the HC position over to either GW or Cowher (if there is any truth to that rumor), and give Saunders 1 year to fix this offense. I am on the fence with this idea and it probably will never happen, but I have heard it brought up by more than one fan on more than one occasion.

11-07-2007, 12:55 AM	#52
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Bill Cowher!! Joe Gibbs era: The good: Griffin, Portis, Washington, Sellers, Marshall (for a year at least), Taylor, Brunell, (arguably Pierce for giving him a shot), Springs, Cooley, Ryan Clark, Rogers, Campbell, Rabach, McIntosh, Montgomery, Golston, Randle El, Landry, Blades, Fletcher, Kendall, Carter (big maybe, IMO). The bad: Barrow, Patten, Archuleta, letting Pierce go, letting Ryan Clark go, Fauria, Dallas Sartz, and like...Jordan Palmer. The really really brutal: Lloyd, Duckett Those are the facts, you be the judge. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-07-2007, 01:00 AM	#53
MTRedskinsFan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 359	Re: Bill Cowher!! I could prolly rename this thread "I was wrong when..." Basically I've been more outspoken than most about Gibbs 2nd tenure being a flop and coming to an end soon. I still feel he is on his way out after this season, but I think it was, and is, out of line to talk about new coaching talent brought in. Gibbs is smart, he brought GW to coach defense, he brought Saunders to coach offense. Both guys have been enormously successful at what they do, and maybe Gibbs has a vision of his own that includes those two guys running this team after he leaves the coaching staff (maybe even to run the front office).

11-07-2007, 01:17 AM	#54
SkinEmAll Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BillysBurg, Va. Posts: 489	Re: Bill Cowher!! [quote=GusFrerotte;374902]Folks Coach Gibbs is a great guy and was a great coach during his first tenure here, but things were a lot more conducive to a title run back in 1981-1992 than now. Consider: 1. No FA in the Gibbs I era 2. No thuggish/greedy prime dona environment in the NFL at the time that came as part of the ridiculous salaries these guys get paid. 3. Expansion has split the once huge Skins TV/revenue market between 3 teams(Ravens, Skins, Panthers) Thing is we do not have the front office like we used to and also with the salary cap having a rich guy like Snyder as owner doesn't mean squat. Snyder also interferes,unlike MR Cook Sr that let Bobby Beathred do the football stuff. The old adage is th at lightning doesn't strike twice and I think that will be the case with Gibbs II. I would like to be wrong about this, but I doubt I will be when all is said and done. The NFL is also all about the above mentioned markets. When Gibbs was here for the first go round, Skins country consisted of E Pa, MD, VA,W Va, and both Carolinas. A huge market that generated a ton of $$$$$$$$$ for the NFL, so it was natural for the Skins to be able to prosper also. It made sense to the NFL to let the Skins succeed. Now I don't think they care since the market is so small.[/quote] WTF????? are you fuckin serious?!!! that is the stupidist thing Ive heard since the last time I came to the site and read another post almost as stupid as this. I am in complete agreement with the mods on their stand against stupid, worthless, & repeated topics. Ive come to the conclusion that some of you need to do one of the following: a) quit drinking b) drink more c)quit doing drugs d) do more drugs e) get laid f) yoga.........

11-07-2007, 08:58 AM	#59
Bozzy The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 45 Posts: 1,034	Re: Bill Cowher!! If Steinbrenner can fire Joe Torre (make him an offer designed to be rejected), then Snyder could do the same thing to Gibbs. Not saying I want that to happen. Just saying.

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