A 2009 Spring Dream....

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

you must not watch them play football? thats ok but comparing those two with dallas sartz is a serious mistake and shows me that you dont know talent when you see it. sartz didnt walk in the door at usc in the hieghts of the programs history and start like cushing.....sartz was not 253 pounds and didnt run a 4.6 forty. mathews you could argue but this kid can rush the passer and is an all around play maker......sartz was neither of these guys esspecially cushing.......i think you should look at what you said and wonder why you are comparing sartz to cushing.....the only reason is they went usc, and cushing started over him as an 18 year old freshman.....but really i am not a usc fan just a huge fan of defense and talented ones at that.

Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect
Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football
Dallas Sartz | Southern Cal, OLB : 2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
usctrojans.com - Football (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
usctrojans.com - Football (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect
Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football
Dallas Sartz*|*Southern Cal,*OLB*:*2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
usctrojans.com - Football (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
usctrojans.com - Football (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)

I'd be skeptical of pre-combine and pro-day numbers. A lot of those 40 times are estimates. Plus it's obvious Cushing has something that Startz doesn't, my guess is part of the reasons he's grading out as a first rounder is because he has a higher football IQ. Though I'm willing to bet that come April Cushing will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick even if he's still graded as a late first rounder.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'd be skeptical of pre-combine and pro-day numbers. A lot of those 40 times are estimates. Plus it's obvious Cushing has something that Startz doesn't, my guess is part of the reasons he's grading out as a first rounder is because he has a higher football IQ. Though I'm willing to bet that come April Cushing will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick even if he's still graded as a late first rounder.

You're right about being skeptical of pre-combine results, but it's hard for me to imagine Cushing running a 4.58 40. Also, Sartz was known for his cerebral play and great football IQ, so I wouldn't say that's the reason why Cushing's grading out better. I definitely don't think Cushing is worth more then a third round pick and that's probably where he will end up getting picked after the juniors declare.

[GTripp0012]

I think the Skins need an impact player in free agency. One guy. Not a bunch of mid-level guys signed to contracts that hurt us in the future, while we see very little increase in talent now. I think Terrell Suggs, Albert Haynesworth, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross all fit the profile, but don't chase a bunch of these guys. Pick one of them, make him an offer he can't refuse, sign him in the first three days of free agency, and be done with it. No trying to rebuild a core through free agency. Just one guy to take us to the next level.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the Skins need an impact player in free agency. One guy. Not a bunch of mid-level guys signed to contracts that hurt us in the future, while we see very little increase in talent now. I think Terrell Suggs, Albert Haynesworth, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross all fit the profile, but don't chase a bunch of these guys. Pick one of them, make him an offer he can't refuse, sign him in the first three days of free agency, and be done with it. No trying to rebuild a core through free agency. Just one guy to take us to the next level.

No Karlos Dansby? I think he would be a great addition to our defense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

BJ Raji is a monster. I watched a few BC games this year and he is a total plugger. I'd love to have him. Frankly BC's entire defense was really impressive this year.

BJ Raji is the only defensive lineman who I would support taking in the first round of the draft. He's going to be a very, very good one.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

No Karlos Dansby? I think he would be a great addition to our defense.

Sorry, forgot about him.

I wouldn't pay him at the same level I would pay any of those other guys, though. He's a LB who I'm not sure can play the middle in a 4-3 scheme, so while I would love to have him, he's not quite the impact player the rest are.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

BJ Raji is the only defensive lineman who I would support taking in the first round of the draft. He's going to be a very, very good one.

DT) P. Jerry , Ole Miss ,,,, may end up the best DT in this class . I hope we draft one of each DL and OL this year as well as one impact lineman on atleast one side of the ball .

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect
Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football
Dallas Sartz*|*Southern Cal,*OLB*:*2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
usctrojans.com - Football (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
usctrojans.com - Football (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)

source all you want. cushing is the better player hands down! sartz didnt make a roster, cushing will start as a rookie barring any injury. if you disagree with the pick in the second round fine, i would love to get him in the third if we could, but dallas sartz isnt on the same level as cushing....comparing stats is for nerds, watch the film see whos shows up.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Tripp does have a good point, Tripp I have been watching tape on P Jerry from Ole Miss do you really think he isnt on the same level as Raji??

[jbcjr14]

If he falls far enough down in the first round...Brian Orakpo DE, Texas would be a nice fit in our defense. Young, powerful and fast. But I don't think he falls to the middle of the first round for us to take him.

[jrocx69]

we need a guy like suggs.... he is a complete monster. taylor is just about done.

suggs and jason brown. leave the rest to draft....PLEASE

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

agree with a lot.......but if we are counting on blades to be mlb then we are in a huge disagreement....post on here when that guy gets off a block to make a tackle within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage or tackle for loss.....he is a back up at best, in fact he is replacable in the next two drafts, talent level very low in my opinion.

I like him as a fill-in player but that's it. I keep thinking of the Bengals game when he was sent on a blitz and barely trotted towards Fitzpatrick. Too often he seems to give up when a lineman engages him, too.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by jamf

Do they want to be a cowboys type line that is built on size and power with 350LB guards or do they want smaller more mobile guys like Denver that can go upfield and cut block linebackers.
Some big Aaron Gibson type guys wont cut it in certain systems but could excel in others.

The current Skins Oline has 5 guys with mixed talents.
The Redskins wont be successful offensively till they get 5 guys who can do the same thing well.

Excellent point that I think is forgotten often. Jansen is the perfect example. He is still a very good run blocking tackle and fine in pass protection if he has outside help to chip or block a speed rusher. But he isn't suited to be on an island in the WCO as a RT. He would probably be a better guard where he'll go against less speed guys.
Rabach's best attribute is making line calls and recognizing blitz packages. In this offense that's the qb's job and I think he ends up lost and confused instead of confident on his assignment for the play.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the Skins need an impact player in free agency. One guy. Not a bunch of mid-level guys signed to contracts that hurt us in the future, while we see very little increase in talent now. I think Terrell Suggs, Albert Haynesworth, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross all fit the profile, but don't chase a bunch of these guys. Pick one of them, make him an offer he can't refuse, sign him in the first three days of free agency, and be done with it. No trying to rebuild a core through free agency. Just one guy to take us to the next level.

Sounds like a plan. One guy can make a difference. Shaun Rodgers or Kris Jenkins could have helped our line quite a bit this year. I hope this is the course our FO takes.