Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.

Wow. Trade RG3. Ok. I'm not advocating either way, just shocked it finally came up.

What is the last point at which the team loses the chance to trade either one? I'm asking cause I'd definitely hold out till atleast that point or close to it.

Again the other thought is will the WHOLE coaching staff be back or will there be some changes made? Will MS stick with the Spread Option scheme or is he done with it and wants to run his scheme he had in Denver? What will DS want to do scheme wise?< I know the HC should get to decide but if DS is set on the Spread Option then I could see MS fired if MS does not want to use that anymore. If DS is wanting MS to use the scheme he thought he was bringing in from Denver then the Spread Option is out.

What I see it boiling down to is what's more important to DS?

1- RG3 = Spread/Read Option (could mean Briles brought in)
2- MS WCO = Cousins (unless RG3 makes a huge learning curve)
3- Spread/Read Option = Briles = RG3.

These are just my thoughts. But MS is fighting for his job now. If he's not fired. If it was me... I'd ditch the college stuff and go with what made me a good coach in the past, use Cousins for these last 3 games as he did, point out to the owner and Allen at the end all the differences between the two QB's and lobby for keeping me my final year with whichever is the best QB next Sept.

and because of that.... RG3 might find himself on the trading block if he didn't make a huge leap this off season. Also as an owner I'd have to look at RG3's dad and if he is stiring the pot. If he is then RG3 might be gone just based off that.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by donofriose

You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.

As I just said I wouldn't trade RG3 nor Cousins just yet, but throwing around the two words Potential and Franchise has me chuckling. Maybe Cousins is a Potential Franchise QB? Maybe RG3 never reaches his Potential everyone is talking about? Just look at J.Campbell for that reasoning.

[MTK]

All this drama has got some of you hook line and sinker.

All this reminds me of a bad breakup and both sides are trying to make the other look as bad as possible. When in reality it's more smoke than substance.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.

I also thought it funny the sports junkies were comparing him to Grossman and Beck with his INT's.

HELLO.... he's had two starts. Grossman came to us with several years under his belt as well as Beck. LOL.

I'll just be happy if the team keeps both young guns, ditches Grossman, and drafts another young QB in the mid to late rounds to sit on the practice squad for development and to learn the scheme. That way if, and it's a big if, MS stays and rights the ship and we are back in the play offs next year, whatever they do with them meaning trading one and resigning the other we would still have another young guy ready to be back up.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

All this drama has got some of you hook line and sinker.

All this reminds me of a bad breakup and both sides are trying to make the other look as bad as possible. When in reality it's more smoke than substance.

Fix the gaskets then, change the oil, tune it up and lets roll....

maybe keep the other kind of smoke for the rest of the guys

I'm just tired of hearing all the "We gotta trade Cousins" banter. I think we need to keep both for now.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

For clarification, all my thoughts are based on the preceding quotes from the bleacherreport link which painted rg3 as a spoiled brat/cry baby who won't listen to his coaches. Hence, the first word in my post was "if." If rg is that much of a diva, I don't want him on my team. If those reports aren't true, and he's a high character guy who tries to build good relationships with his coaches and team mates and readily accepts all coaching given him, then I'm happy he's here.

Well that is your problem right there.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Any talk of trading Robert is crazy talk.

Didn't you know? All you need is 2 full games to realize Cousins is LEGIT.

[redskin29633]

The "trade RGIII" topic came up on the Galdi, Czaban, Cooley radio show yesterday (ESPN 980). First legitimate public forum where I heard the possibility discussed. They pointed out that many of the sacks taken by RGIII were on him because he runs around trying to improvise rather than trying to buy time in the pocket. In that case (their words, not mine), the OL has no clue as to how or where to block rushers. As you might imagine, Cooley had the most insight on this point. Anyway, it really makes sense to me that part of what Shanahan is doing involves proving to Snyder that much of what has happened to Redskins this season is on Griffin rather than the OL. Next few weeks will be interesting! #BeatDallas #HTTR

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Any talk of trading Robert is crazy talk.

UMMMMMM, THIS.

DUH.

Anyone even remotely entertaining the idea of trading RG3 is just idiotic and stupid. Sorry, I said it.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Didn't you know? All you need is 2 full games to realize Cousins is LEGIT.

I saw him wearing a 2 Legit 2 Quit shirt also. I think he might even change his number to 2, and his last name to Legit ala OchoCinco. Guy is the truth.

[Gary84Clark]

Cousins looke d like Rex actually. Couusins did okay, didn't burn the house down. Rex has some alright games, but he alwyas gets 2 interceptions in there and loses.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.

Basically give up RG3 and keep Le Fleur and Little Shanny? These offensive inexperienced guys are amateur hour when it comes to NFL offenses. If a second year player could come in and disrupt your organization then that in it's self is a big enough reason you should be fired. It means you do not have the aptitude for the job.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

On ESPN980 today, Schefter confirmed that RGII is campaigning to have Snyder hire Briles. Schefter also said RGII is on the sidelines during alot of games. Why the frack Shanahan allows that is beyond me.

Interestingly, Schefter said that Shanahan wants to sit down with Snyder after the season and express his desire to stay, but only if he has has the power "to start the best players." Shanahan's contract already gives him that power, and Schefter said, to his knowledge, Snyder has never tried to meddle or tell Shanahan who to play. Schefter strongly insinuated that, if he were to stay, Shanahan would have a QB competition. If RGIII won, he'd be the starter. If Cousins won, he'd be the starter. Schefter also indicated that, had Cousins not suffered an injury in the preseason, Shanahan would have started him week 1, since he was more prepared than RGIII, who had missed the offseason. Although RGIII was medically cleared to play, Shanahan had doubts that he was "football ready."

Now we all know that Schefter gets his info directly from Shanahan, and Shanahan wouldnt tell Schefter these things unless he wanted Schefter to report them. Seems pretty obvious to me that Shanahan believes in Cousins more than he believes in RGIII. Ultimately, it seems, whether Shanahan stays or goes will depend on whether or not he beleives more in Shanahan as a coach with Cousins as his QB or an entirely new offensive staff with RGIII at QB.

Personally, I think a Shanahan/Cousins combo gives us a much better chance to win than a RGIII/Briles/Gruden/whoever combo.

[skinsfaninok]

If we hire briles then I'll believe this crap if not then you know it was all bull IMO

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Basically give up RG3 and keep Le Fleur and Little Shanny? These offensive inexperienced guys are amateur hour when it comes to NFL offenses. If a second year player could come in and disrupt your organization then that in it's self is a big enough reason you should be fired. It means you do not have the aptitude for the job.

The second year player is a diva franchise quarterback. If he chooses to be disruptive, its not like you can just cut him like you could any old scrub. I'm sorry, but if even half the reports i've read about RGIII's diva attitude are true, i want nothing to do with him. His "potential" isn't worth the distraction when you've got a very talented NFL QB in Cousins on the roster.