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And still it's a bunch of hot air about Russia. Vladimir Putin, head of KGB, has been working to influence US elections since Walter Mondale sucked up to the Russians.
I give a rat's ass if Trump talked or didn't talk to them. If Putin thought Trump was going to win, he would have focused more efforts to help HRC. That's just what enemy countries do. The dems and libs are going to have a meltdown when the republicans win bigly this election, and Trump appoints a 3rd constitutional justice making the balance 6 to 3. It would be funny if it weren't depressing to here them scream russia russia russia like little girls. |
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Bear with me for a moment because I know this is nothing more than a mere concept to us non-Mueller investigators. But what if the real concern isn't Putin doing whatever he can to get Trump elected, but Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank coming from illegal money laundering out of Russia? What if Trump owed Russian oligarchs connected to Putin money? You don't think owing debt to any Putin-connected Russian would be a serious conflict of interest as POTUS? Seriously, ignore my theory if you must as I have nothing to back it up, but it's just starting to sound like you're tired of hearing Russia mentioned so you couldn't care less what they do, or who they did it with, or if there's any actual legit crimes there. Have you started thinking up an excuse for if/when Mueller completes the investigation and makes his recommendation to Congress? If you've ever watched any of those reality crime shows, it's a classic technique. Start at the bottom and keep flipping guys until you reach the guy at the top. Cohen is next. And as Trump's fixer, there really aren't that many guys left to flip. |
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The DB angle is very plausible unfortunately, again the Soviets then, and russians now, certainly are not restrained from trying to blackmail or manipulate any one they can. I still do think the overall effect is overblown by the hate trump media. So i will wait and withhold judgement until all the cards are laid out. |
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I wanted to circle back to this. I think your theory has a lot of plausibility, and possible validity. Where my problem is, is when media conflates the Russian collusion story, which in my opinion is bogus, with what very well may be serious issues that took place from the Russian side. I don't for a minute think that the Trump campaign went out and actively sought Russian operatives to act against HRC's campaign which is what the House report said they didn't find evidence of. I do think Russia actively sought to act against HRC's campaign at a higher intensity then past elections, which is what the Senate said happened. There is a significant difference between those two statements. So that's what I mean by the russia russia russia whinings of the msm. They seek to conflate Russian interference (which did happen) first to the level of Russian collusion(which I don't think happened) then to level of the indictments brought by Muellers team (on banking charges not Russian based collusion) all with the intent of de-legitimizing Trump's election win and the policies he ran on. I believe your theory is actually what's happening in Mueller's investigation. AND if that all turns out to be a sordid financial story of either blackmail or fraud, then the Russian story will take an ugly turn for Trump. I don't know if I am making the distinctions clear enough, but this is a far more interesting discussion to have then trump cultists want to fuck america. Last edited by CRedskinsRule; 07-05-2018 at 10:52 AM. |
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I will say we agree to disagree. To many of his minions are being nailed .I will agree that you will not nail him (trump himself) he doesn't work that way he will throw others under the bus but I do think that all the others including donnie Jr all guilty as sin and have been told to take one for the team and trump will pardon them later.That is a dangerous precedent. I find it amazing that a "hostile " goverment has elected a president that the majority of Americans did not want and people still think it's ok.
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Is it a good thing to have a SC stacked in either direction? To me that idea is a little scary.
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But also remember swing votes in the supreme court ..which recently departed Kennedy had been label...historically have been described as conservatives. O’Conner, Kennedy, Stewart, etc. And I think many would agree since the 60s the court has removed a lot of barriers and made “progress”. So the fear mongering and hyperbole is ridiculous...typical media sensationalism that some eat up. We are gonna be fine and don’t expect major role back of legislation. Sure, you could see nuances with some state laws...but folks need to the pump the brakes on repeating some of this garbage being thrown around. |
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Trump himself did not back down from the idea of Roe v Wade being rolled back, what else are we supposed to think? Is he spreading his own fake news? |
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“Hey I tried” ...blame it on so and so...these are typical pages from the playbook.. We good |
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/affd1c8...ins-about.html FOX makes up a BS stat and trump perpetuates it! Why , to deceive, misdirect and create fear and hate among voters and the American people but hey keep your head in the sand.
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It's beyond scary,it's dangerous.
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