When is Enough ,Enough?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I like this Lady. She was not rude,was not violent and was not threatening .She was right.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/teache...-him-to-resign



KRISTIN MINK / FACEBOOK
First, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was chased out of a Mexican restaurant. Then press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was refused service in an eatery, which was later attacked by Donald Trump. Now embattled Scott Pruitt, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has been confronted by an angry teacher and mother who urged the under-fire official to resign before he's forced out. A video posted on Facebook shows Kristin Mink calling out a silent Pruitt at lunch Monday, telling him: “We deserve to have somebody at the EPA who actually does protect our environment, somebody who believes in climate change and takes it seriously for the benefit of all of us, including our children. I would urge you to resign before your scandals push you out.” Mink later told HuffPost: “He had no defense. He had no explanation. He had no apology. He had nothing to say. When you are a government official... you are supposed to be directly working for the citizens that you’re serving. He’s a public servant. When you’re in that position, you should want to hear from the people who you are supposed to be taking care of.”

Your a Republican but read the Daily Beast. lol...ok

[MTK]

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ldened-racists

Not winning with this

[CRedskinsRule]

And still it's a bunch of hot air about Russia. Vladimir Putin, head of KGB, has been working to influence US elections since Walter Mondale sucked up to the Russians.
I give a rat's ass if Trump talked or didn't talk to them. If Putin thought Trump was going to win, he would have focused more efforts to help HRC. That's just what enemy countries do.

The dems and libs are going to have a meltdown when the republicans win bigly this election, and Trump appoints a 3rd constitutional justice making the balance 6 to 3.

It would be funny if it weren't depressing to here them scream russia russia russia like little girls.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And still it's a bunch of hot air about Russia. Vladimir Putin, head of KGB, has been working to influence US elections since Walter Mondale sucked up to the Russians.
I give a rat's ass if Trump talked or didn't talk to them. If Putin thought Trump was going to win, he would have focused more efforts to help HRC. That's just what enemy countries do.

The dems and libs are going to have a meltdown when the republicans win bigly this election, and Trump appoints a 3rd constitutional justice making the balance 6 to 3.

It would be funny if it weren't depressing to here them scream russia russia russia like little girls.

LOL, the blind cult members still refuse to acknowledge that the putin puppet was elected.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And still it's a bunch of hot air about Russia. Vladimir Putin, head of KGB, has been working to influence US elections since Walter Mondale sucked up to the Russians.
I give a rat's ass if Trump talked or didn't talk to them. If Putin thought Trump was going to win, he would have focused more efforts to help HRC. That's just what enemy countries do.

The dems and libs are going to have a meltdown when the republicans win bigly this election, and Trump appoints a 3rd constitutional justice making the balance 6 to 3.

It would be funny if it weren't depressing to here them scream russia russia russia like little girls.

I really can't believe you're still stuck on Putin's trying to influence the election. That's old news now. Everybody not named Trump or House Republicans agree he did.

Bear with me for a moment because I know this is nothing more than a mere concept to us non-Mueller investigators. But what if the real concern isn't Putin doing whatever he can to get Trump elected, but Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank coming from illegal money laundering out of Russia? What if Trump owed Russian oligarchs connected to Putin money? You don't think owing debt to any Putin-connected Russian would be a serious conflict of interest as POTUS?

Seriously, ignore my theory if you must as I have nothing to back it up, but it's just starting to sound like you're tired of hearing Russia mentioned so you couldn't care less what they do, or who they did it with, or if there's any actual legit crimes there. Have you started thinking up an excuse for if/when Mueller completes the investigation and makes his recommendation to Congress? If you've ever watched any of those reality crime shows, it's a classic technique. Start at the bottom and keep flipping guys until you reach the guy at the top. Cohen is next. And as Trump's fixer, there really aren't that many guys left to flip.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I really can't believe you're still stuck on Putin's trying to influence the election. That's old news now. Everybody not named Trump or House Republicans agree he did.

Bear with me for a moment because I know this is nothing more than a mere concept to us non-Mueller investigators. But what if the real concern isn't Putin doing whatever he can to get Trump elected, but Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank coming from illegal money laundering out of Russia? What if Trump owed Russian oligarchs connected to Putin money? You don't think owing debt to any Putin-connected Russian would be a serious conflict of interest as POTUS?

Seriously, ignore my theory if you must as I have nothing to back it up, but it's just starting to sound like you're tired of hearing Russia mentioned so you couldn't care less what they do, or who they did it with, or if there's any actual legit crimes there. Have you started thinking up an excuse for if/when Mueller completes the investigation and makes his recommendation to Congress? If you've ever watched any of those reality crime shows, it's a classic technique. Start at the bottom and keep flipping guys until you reach the guy at the top. Cohen is next. And as Trump's fixer, there really aren't that many guys left to flip.

First, i do think russia tried to influence our election. I think they have been trying to influence our elections for as long as i can remember.

The DB angle is very plausible unfortunately, again the Soviets then, and russians now, certainly are not restrained from trying to blackmail or manipulate any one they can.

I still do think the overall effect is overblown by the hate trump media. So i will wait and withhold judgement until all the cards are laid out.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I really can't believe you're still stuck on Putin's trying to influence the election. That's old news now. Everybody not named Trump or House Republicans agree he did.

Bear with me for a moment because I know this is nothing more than a mere concept to us non-Mueller investigators. But what if the real concern isn't Putin doing whatever he can to get Trump elected, but Trump's loans from Deutsche Bank coming from illegal money laundering out of Russia? What if Trump owed Russian oligarchs connected to Putin money? You don't think owing debt to any Putin-connected Russian would be a serious conflict of interest as POTUS?

Seriously, ignore my theory if you must as I have nothing to back it up, but it's just starting to sound like you're tired of hearing Russia mentioned so you couldn't care less what they do, or who they did it with, or if there's any actual legit crimes there. Have you started thinking up an excuse for if/when Mueller completes the investigation and makes his recommendation to Congress? If you've ever watched any of those reality crime shows, it's a classic technique. Start at the bottom and keep flipping guys until you reach the guy at the top. Cohen is next. And as Trump's fixer, there really aren't that many guys left to flip.

Mooby,

I wanted to circle back to this. I think your theory has a lot of plausibility, and possible validity. Where my problem is, is when media conflates the Russian collusion story, which in my opinion is bogus, with what very well may be serious issues that took place from the Russian side.

I don't for a minute think that the Trump campaign went out and actively sought Russian operatives to act against HRC's campaign which is what the House report said they didn't find evidence of.

I do think Russia actively sought to act against HRC's campaign at a higher intensity then past elections, which is what the Senate said happened.

There is a significant difference between those two statements. So that's what I mean by the russia russia russia whinings of the msm. They seek to conflate Russian interference (which did happen) first to the level of Russian collusion(which I don't think happened) then to level of the indictments brought by Muellers team (on banking charges not Russian based collusion) all with the intent of de-legitimizing Trump's election win and the policies he ran on.

I believe your theory is actually what's happening in Mueller's investigation. AND if that all turns out to be a sordid financial story of either blackmail or fraud, then the Russian story will take an ugly turn for Trump.

I don't know if I am making the distinctions clear enough, but this is a far more interesting discussion to have then trump cultists want to fuck america.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Mooby,

I wanted to circle back to this. I think your theory has a lot of plausibility, and possible validity. Where my problem is, is when media conflates the Russian collusion story, which in my opinion is bogus, with what very well may be serious issues that took place from the Russian side.

I don't for a minute think that the Trump campaign went out and actively sought Russian operatives to act against HRC's campaign which is what the House report said they didn't find evidence of.

I do think Russia actively sought to act against HRC's campaign at a higher intensity then past elections, which is what the Senate said happened.

There is a significant difference between those two statements. So that's what I mean by the russia russia russia whinings of the msm. They seek to conflate Russian interference (which did happen) first to the level of Russian collusion(which I don't think happened) then to level of the indictments brought by Muellers team (on banking charges not Russian based collusion) all with the intent of de-legitimizing Trump's election win and the policies he ran on.

I believe your theory is actually what's happening in Mueller's investigation. AND if that all turns out to be a sordid financial story of either blackmail or fraud, then the Russian story will take an ugly turn for Trump.

I don't know if I am making the distinctions clear enough, but this is a far more interesting discussion to have then trump cultists want to fuck america.

Thanks for the post Cred. I'll make this short as I have another long day tomorrow, but I believe the "collusion" isn't as strong as some people would have us believe. Did they have the meeting? Sure. Did anything come out of the meeting? No idea. Russia is going to interfere, via hacking/etc. with or without anyone's approval. Maybe they offered Trump dirt, and he said he was interested? Maybe they said they'll release DNC emails, and Trump said sure but I don't wanna be anywhere near that when you do. Idk, but the idea they were working in tandem doesn't seem likely. Trump probably said do whatever you want, and if we get elected I'll pay it back however I can.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Thanks for the post Cred. I'll make this short as I have another long day tomorrow, but I believe the "collusion" isn't as strong as some people would have us believe. Did they have the meeting? Sure. Did anything come out of the meeting? No idea. Russia is going to interfere, via hacking/etc. with or without anyone's approval. Maybe they offered Trump dirt, and he said he was interested? Maybe they said they'll release DNC emails, and Trump said sure but I don't wanna be anywhere near that when you do. Idk, but the idea they were working in tandem doesn't seem likely. Trump probably said do whatever you want, and if we get elected I'll pay it back however I can.

I will say we agree to disagree. To many of his minions are being nailed .I will agree that you will not nail him (trump himself) he doesn't work that way he will throw others under the bus but I do think that all the others including donnie Jr all guilty as sin and have been told to take one for the team and trump will pardon them later.That is a dangerous precedent. I find it amazing that a "hostile " goverment has elected a president that the majority of Americans did not want and people still think it's ok.

[MTK]

Is it a good thing to have a SC stacked in either direction? To me that idea is a little scary.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Is it a good thing to have a SC stacked in either direction? To me that idea is a little scary.

This...

But also remember swing votes in the supreme court ..which recently departed Kennedy had been label...historically have been described as conservatives. O’Conner, Kennedy, Stewart, etc.
And I think many would agree since the 60s the court has removed a lot of barriers and made “progress”.

So the fear mongering and hyperbole is ridiculous...typical media sensationalism that some eat up.

We are gonna be fine and don’t expect major role back of legislation. Sure, you could see nuances with some state laws...but folks need to the pump the brakes on repeating some of this garbage being thrown around.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This...



But also remember swing votes in the supreme court ..which recently departed Kennedy had been label...historically have been described as conservatives. O’Conner, Kennedy, Stewart, etc.

And I think many would agree since the 60s the court has removed a lot of barriers and made “progress”.



So the fear mongering and hyperbole is ridiculous...typical media sensationalism that some eat up.



We are gonna be fine and don’t expect major role back of legislation. Sure, you could see nuances with some state laws...but folks need to the pump the brakes on repeating some of this garbage being thrown around.

Trump himself did not back down from the idea of Roe v Wade being rolled back, what else are we supposed to think? Is he spreading his own fake news?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Trump himself did not back down from the idea of Roe v Wade being rolled back, what else are we supposed to think? Is he spreading his own fake news?

He is appeasing the religious right...they have to get a bone too. It’s talk to say “hey I tried”... But roe v wade is woven in...ain’t getting rolled back. I could definitely see some challengings with some state laws.

“Hey I tried” ...blame it on so and so...these are typical pages from the playbook..

We good

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So the fear mongering and hyperbole is ridiculous...typical media sensationalism that some eat up.
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So who is doing it .....................

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/affd1c8...ins-about.html



FOX makes up a BS stat and trump perpetuates it! Why , to deceive, misdirect and create fear and hate among voters and the American people but hey keep your head in the sand.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

Is it a good thing to have a SC stacked in either direction? To me that idea is a little scary.

It's beyond scary,it's dangerous.