Colt's Game Performance

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

IF you take of the goggles and put down the JC Koolaid i said earlier JC AND CB both overthrew a wr during the game. the guys were both in a position to make a big play. it didnt happen and to put it all on the WR is total BS. neither QB was being rushed on the throws in question so there is no excuse for the misfire. And if we cut wrs for dropping balls we wouldnt have a wr corps.

When you hit the receiver in the hands, it is not an overthrow. This is a simple point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Isnt Hagans the same height as Santana AND ARE??
So i guess that throws out the whole 'he is used to throwin to taller wrs' excuse..He misfired,it happens. i cant see why you guys just cant admit it. I already said CB overthrew the TE on the seem. True i could say all day IF that was Cooley he is gone. but it wasnt so case closed.

No, but Santana doesn't run that route, or mostly miss that catch. This is a useless debate. A rookie receiver could have made a great play on a catchable pass. He didn't. It's that simple. Hagans won't be in that position come Sep 13th.

[53Fan]

The ball was a little higher than Hagans would have liked. Hagans got his hands on it but couldn't bring it down. If he would have, he'd stand a better chance of making someones roster which he can't seem to do. Do QB's sometimes throw high? Yes. Do good receivers usually make the catch if they get their hands on it? Yes. Some even do it in the SB and help their QB get a big contract. What's all the fuss about?

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No, but Santana doesn't run that route, or mostly miss that catch. This is a useless debate. A rookie receiver could have made a great play on a catchable pass. He didn't. It's that simple. Hagans won't be in that position come Sep 13th.

80 Hagans, Marques WR 5-10 205 2 Virginia 12-29-1982
89 Moss, Santana WR 5-10 200 8 Miami 06-01-1979
82 Randle El, Antwaan WR 5-10 185 7 Indiana 08-17-1979


ALL THE SAME HEIGHT!! And im sure all of the wrs at some point on different plays run that route. The DB went underneath and the wr went to the empty space in the zone. so i guess it wasnt an official route so to say. Just a young wr makin a good read and finding the open spot in the defense. didnt finish the play but it cant all be put on him.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

ALL THE SAME HEIGHT!! And im sure all of the wrs at some point on different plays run that route. The DB went underneath and the wr went to the empty space in the zone. so i guess it wasnt an official route so to say. Just a young wr makin a good read and finding the open spot in the defense. didnt finish the play but it cant all be put on him.

Campbell stated that Hagans wasnt even in the progression, but the line gave him enough time to throw the ball. It wasnt a "perfect" throw, BUT if your a young receiver trying to make the team, you gotta catch anything that hits your hands. Mitchell was the draft pick, and Hackett has the experience, Hagans simply missed a chance to make a positive mark.

I guess people can watch the same game, and yet we see different things.

BTW...how did we get here from Colts performance...lol?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

i cant see why you guys just cant admit it.

Congrats, you're now a hypocrite.

You're wasting a lot of breath and bandwith on an incompletion that might have been caught by Santana, Cooley, Kelly, or Davis. No one should have expected Hagans to make that catch, but that's because it's Marques Hagans. He's not going to be on the Redskins in three weeks.

Worst case scenario, it works as a throwaway pass. It's the classic ball put where either the receiver gets it, or more likely, it's thrown away.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Congrats, you're now a hypocrite.

You're wasting a lot of breath and bandwith on an incompletion that might have been caught by Santana, Cooley, Kelly, or Davis. No one should have expected Hagans to make that catch, but that's because it's Marques Hagans. He's not going to be on the Redskins in three weeks.

Worst case scenario, it works as a throwaway pass. It's the classic ball put where either the receiver gets it, or more likely, it's thrown away.

I can admit when CB overthrew a open TE on the seem but you cant admit that JC did the same. it was said he wasnt even in the progression yet JC had time to find him.. so by that logic he could have all day and still throw the ball a foot over the head of a open wr. And if i remember correctly werent most of you JC Koolaid drinkers screaming about the passes that S.Moss dropped last yr?? But now its all 'Santana would have caught that throw.And didnt Davis drop a walk in TD last yr?? Philly i believe it was. So the same could be said about all of our wrs in that position. Its NOTHING like your little scenerio, thats usually a case in tight coverage where the qb puts the ball away from the wr so either its incomplete or only the wr gets it.Not when the wr is WIDE open. please put down the cup.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Congrats, you're now a hypocrite.

You're wasting a lot of breath and bandwith on an incompletion that might have been caught by Santana, Cooley, Kelly, or Davis. No one should have expected Hagans to make that catch, but that's because it's Marques Hagans. He's not going to be on the Redskins in three weeks.

Worst case scenario, it works as a throwaway pass. It's the classic ball put where either the receiver gets it, or more likely, it's thrown away.

He was WIDE OPEN. Ofcourse only the wr could have caught it or it was going to be incomplete.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

He was WIDE OPEN. Ofcourse only the wr could have caught it or it was going to be incomplete.

I too hate quarterbacks who find open receivers. Give me Jay Cutler!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I can admit when CB overthrew a open TE on the seem but you cant admit that JC did the same. it was said he wasnt even in the progression yet JC had time to find him.. so by that logic he could have all day and still throw the ball a foot over the head of a open wr. And if i remember correctly werent most of you JC Koolaid drinkers screaming about the passes that S.Moss dropped last yr?? But now its all 'Santana would have caught that throw.And didnt Davis drop a walk in TD last yr?? Philly i believe it was. So the same could be said about all of our wrs in that position. Its NOTHING like your little scenerio, thats usually a case in tight coverage where the qb puts the ball away from the wr so either its incomplete or only the wr gets it.Not when the wr is WIDE open. please put down the cup.

Look, you've had sufficient time to prove that you don't know anything about what it takes to be a quarterback in the NFL, or really at any other level. I tend to give people a LOT of chances to demonstrate some analytical ability before I outright dismiss what they are saying based on who they are, but I'm at that point with you. You have no credibility on this topic, so please stop appealing to your own authority. Consider this a polite request.

You also spend waaaaaay too much time trying to catch people who disagree with you in double standards such as the bolded one, when you could spend one quarter of the time trying to understand exactly what they are responding to. You don't seem to understand contextual statements. If I'm saying that Moss might have caught a ball that you wouldn't expect Marques Hagans to catch, I do not need to assert that "Moss would have caught that ball". Only that Moss has a better chance to make a catch than a reciever who will be out of the league next month.

I've seen you make good arguments before, but sometimes I think you just repeat yourself to see how long you can get people to respond to your bullshit before they quit. I'll admit that its entertaining on some levels to see you divehead in headstrong to concepts you don't understand with conviction on loan from God, but ultimately, I tire of you fast.

[Lotus]

DBuch, I am not a JC koolaid drinker. When JC makes a mistake I am happy to call him out.

Hatred makes people say and do foolish things. In your case, your utter contempt for Campbell repeatedly has led you to say some foolish things about quarterbacking.

Why do you hate Campbell so much?

[MTK]

Wow, 1 pass in the first preseason game is causing this much debate?

Yikes.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Lotus

DBuch, I am not a JC koolaid drinker. When JC makes a mistake I am happy to call him out.

Hatred makes people say and do foolish things. In your case, your utter contempt for Campbell repeatedly has led you to say some foolish things about quarterbacking.

Why do you hate Campbell so much?

Lets just take off the JC and CB goggles, put down the Koolaid and say the wrs were open for big plays and the QB's didnt get it done. Hopefully they improve and are able to take advantage of those situations in the future when it counts.

This was my earlier post on this thread. I said BOTH JC AND CB made high throws that could have been for big plays when the wr/te were open with nothing but green in front of them.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Lets just take off the JC and CB goggles, put down the Koolaid and say the wrs were open for big plays and the QB's didnt get it done. Hopefully they improve and are able to take advantage of those situations in the future when it counts.

This was my earlier post on this thread. I said BOTH JC AND CB made high throws that could have been for big plays when the wr/te were open with nothing but green in front of them.

I heard you the first time.

The point is, JC's throw to Hagans wasn't bad, Hagans hands were. Saying that you critiqued both JC and Colt doesn't change things if your critique of JC is off the mark.

This point prompted my question which I must now repeat: why do you hate JC so much?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well said. He sucked last nite and Collins looked good. Collins will be the 2nd QB going into the season, but we got alot more to worry about than talking about 3rd stringers.

Hell yeah. QB is not a problem in terms of depth with us. I would like McDaniels in there though soon. McDaniels played in a real conference, not the Weakened WAC that Hawaii plays in. Anyway, the biggest worry I have is obviously our secondary. God damn they made Flacco look good!!! We are going to be hard pressed to be #4 on D if these guys don't get their shit together. I know it is preseason week 1, but so many other teams that have been on TV look far more crisp than we are.