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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Why would that be a bad thing for the Skins? Just curious what pitfalls you would be wanting to avoid

I don't think it's a bad thing for the Skins necessarily, but it certainly increases the chances that Kyle takes an opportunity outside the organization so that Mike can stay on longer. In which case, we'd be better off without a succession plan.

If the plan is for Kyle to be head coach, then name him head coach and promote Mike. My point is just that Kyle is ready now.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think it's a bad thing for the Skins necessarily, but it certainly increases the chances that Kyle takes an opportunity outside the organization so that Mike can stay on longer. In which case, we'd be better off without a succession plan.

If the plan is for Kyle to be head coach, then name him head coach and promote Mike. My point is just that Kyle is ready now.

If Kyle goes anywhere do u think he would try to trade with the skins for cousins?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

If Kyle goes anywhere do u think he would try to trade with the skins for cousins?

Not necessarily.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

If Kyle goes anywhere do u think he would try to trade with the skins for cousins?

Kyle is not going anywhere, Think about it... What the heck can he do without RG3? Lets not lose perspective here. Kyle has a great thing going for him with Redskins, he is able to get as creative as he wants to with a QB that can just about do anything he draws up.

Best thing he can do is sit and win a few seasons, build a solid winning resume before he even considers moving on. It would be a very foolish move for him to go any time soon.

Furthermore, there is a very good possibility he inherits the Redskins HC job in the very near future which most likely will include RG3/Morris. These HC's that have lost their jobs would kill to coach the Skins. Kyle has to look at the big picture here...

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think it's a bad thing for the Skins necessarily, but it certainly increases the chances that Kyle takes an opportunity outside the organization so that Mike can stay on longer. In which case, we'd be better off without a succession plan.

If the plan is for Kyle to be head coach, then name him head coach and promote Mike. My point is just that Kyle is ready now.

I'm confused by what you're saying. Kyle came here to coach under his dad, as a full fledged OC. This is the job Kyle wanted, not just taking whatever option was best, this was really a handpicked job. So I don't think Kyle is wanting to leave while things are looking up here.

A succession plan is a rare thing. And even then rarely works out. Petitbon, Gregg Williams (Snyder killed that)... But keeping a good system helps a team. So I think in this case we're better off with a Shanahan successor plan.

Kyle may be ready, no argument there, but seems to me like young coaches nowadays typically have a horrible first stint as HC. Read or heard that somewhere, and it rings true to me. This seems like a good situation to increase his experience as an OC, and increase his value to other teams.

In basic bargaining terms: The better Kyle looks over time, where he doesn't HAVE to go anywhere if he doesn't want to, the more leverage he should have to get a great contract when he does go.

Meantime I hope we keep him. I don't know exactly how much of this offensive success on Kyle (group effort on gameplanning during the week, Mike seems pretty involved on the sidelines but maybe not), but my bet is "a lot". Let's keep what works.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I'm confused by what you're saying. Kyle came here to coach under his dad, as a full fledged OC. This is the job Kyle wanted, not just taking whatever option was best, this was really a handpicked job. So I don't think Kyle is wanting to leave while things are looking up here.

A succession plan is a rare thing. And even then rarely works out. Petitbon, Gregg Williams (Snyder killed that)... But keeping a good system helps a team. So I think in this case we're better off with a Shanahan successor plan.

Kyle may be ready, no argument there, but seems to me like young coaches nowadays typically have a horrible first stint as HC. Read or heard that somewhere, and it rings true to me. This seems like a good situation to increase his experience as an OC, and increase his value to other teams.

In basic bargaining terms: The better Kyle looks over time, where he doesn't HAVE to go anywhere if he doesn't want to, the more leverage he should have to get a great contract when he does go.

Meantime I hope we keep him. I don't know exactly how much of this offensive success on Kyle (group effort on gameplanning during the week, Mike seems pretty involved on the sidelines but maybe not), but my bet is "a lot". Let's keep what works.

I really agree with the bolded part.

I feel like the Redskins can keep Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan in their current capacities for the 2013 season, but if the team wins 11+ next year and is even better than this years team, Kyle immediately becomes the hottest candidate out there (if he isn't already). That means while we might be able to get away this year simply because no great jobs are coming open (even though Chicago and Philadelphia are both open now), we're still going to hit the same issue a year down the road.

Alternatively, if the team were to backslide, you have a bigger issue with a succession plan, so I feel that the team is either best off promoting immediately, or taking it year to year and allowing Kyle to choose the situation that is best for him.

[Gtothearry]

Anyone hear Andy Rieds last words in Philly? "Hail to the Eagles". Did he hear the Skins song to much last night? I've never heard Hail to the Eagles.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

Anyone hear Andy Rieds last words in Philly? "Hail to the Eagles". Did he hear the Skins song to much last night? I've never heard Hail to the Eagles.

He's a befuddled old man.
He should just go sit on a beach and watch the walrus's mate.

[skinsfan69]

Andy Reid needs a change of scenery in the worst way. It was time for him and the Eagles to move on.

[That Guy]

being a head coach is more than X's and O's, so i have no idea how you can say kyle's ready right now.

norv is a good OC with no leadership ability, and is a horrible head coach. being great at one job doesn't mean you'll be great at the other.

i do believe he should be in line for the job, but it's working the way it's set up now, so let's run with that. if there is a serious issue of kyle leaving, then you can reconsider, but i think he's safe for this year at least.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

being a head coach is more than X's and O's, so i have no idea how you can say kyle's ready right now.

norv is a good OC with no leadership ability, and is a horrible head coach. being great at one job doesn't mean you'll be great at the other.

i do believe he should be in line for the job, but it's working the way it's set up now, so let's run with that. if there is a serious issue of kyle leaving, then you can reconsider, but i think he's safe for this year at least.

I tend to agree, and I've heard others say he's not quite ready yet either, as far as dealing with the media and being out there as the face of a team.

Ed Sheahin ‏@NFLSkins
I don't think Kyle Shanahan is ready for a head coaching job. He's not always comfortable in front of the media and he still needs to mature.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I tend to agree, and I've heard others say he's not quite ready yet either, as far as dealing with the media and being out there as the face of a team.

Ed Sheahin ‏@NFLSkins
I don't think Kyle Shanahan is ready for a head coaching job. He's not always comfortable in front of the media and he still needs to mature.

Agree. Remember Kyle running down the hall berating the official early in the season? Cant do that. I think Kyle needs a little more time.

@BHA, Mike Shanny regarded as one of the best playcallers in the league when he was doing it. I wouldnt have a problem with him doing both.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Agree. Remember Kyle running down the hall berating the official early in the season? Cant do that. I think Kyle needs a little more time.

@BHA, Mike Shanny regarded as one of the best playcallers in the league when he was doing it. I wouldnt have a problem with him doing both.

Yeah, that was incredibly immature.

But to be fair, it was 14 games ago. Recent evidence suggests he's ready to take more on his plate.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Agree. Remember Kyle running down the hall berating the official early in the season? Cant do that. I think Kyle needs a little more time.

He wouldn't be the first HC to berate an official and until they (officials) become perfect I'd hope to see more of the same.

I understand it's against the rules but WTF is up with a system where they can make a howlingly awful call, most recently the prolonged Cowboys snap that resulted in a TD, and the coaches have to meekly accept it?

I want a coach that fights for the call to be correct.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

He wouldn't be the first HC to berate an official and until they (officials) become perfect I'd hope to see more of the same.

I understand it's against the rules but WTF is up with a system where they can make a howlingly awful call, most recently the prolonged Cowboys snap that resulted in a TD, and the coaches have to meekly accept it?

I want a coach that fights for the call to be correct.

Yeah, but you cant chase the official off the field into the tunnel. You have to take the proper steps after the game with the league.

bad calls happen all the time, cant get hung up on it