The everything Gruden thread

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Too me, it's little coaching but I'm starting to believe the dipshits in the scouting department need to go. We need a new gm to come in and revamp scouting.

This is something danny boy needs to get on top of asap.

It's so hard to judge though. You don't know if the scouts are presenting poor options, or if they are selecting people they're told to look for, or if they have good options that are getting ignored. I mean it's ultimately up to higher ups in the FO to make the calls. A scout might say "We like Moses' potential. He could be a great 5th-6th round choice" But if Allen takes him in the 3rd, that's not on the scout. That's just an example

A big problem though, that I've mentioned in the "Getting to Know the Scouting Process" thread is these scouts spend the whole season looking for what one HC wants and then at the end of the year here comes a new HC with different ideas.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Agree he gets the opportunity to turn things around these last games. Nothing wrong with Snyder and FO starting to make inquiries elsewhere now though, it's due diligence at this point.

It's gotta feel like Zorn all over again for Snyder though. The idiotic play calls like going for it on fourth down pinned back in our own territory, and then not even have an audible to change the play when Indys crappy defense overloaded one side. This just ain't pro level coaching, very hard to watch.

wow I was working caught last half of 4th quarter. If this happened Gruden is desperate like I thought.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Even Marty Mornhinweg got 2 whole seasons before the Lions canned him and he's one of the worst NFL coaches of all time. You gotta give Gruden a real shot next season.

I feel like coaches, unless they go.. like 0-16, deserve at least 2 seasons to be judged thoroughly before deciding whether or not to keep or kick them.

If he holds the fort, stop the bleeding, anything. Beat Dallas and the Giants then he deserves another year, but if he keeps making desperate moves then he has to go. But to be fair he was set up to fail. He had to keep Haz and Mc Vay.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

wow I was working caught last half of 4th quarter. If this happened Gruden is desperate like I thought.

That's not quite what happened

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

That's not quite what happened

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[Gary84Clark]

Jay Gruden grade for Colts game = F+. Colt threw for 350 yards, he had a good fantasy game so Gruden gets a plus on that F.

[Meks]

No one and done, your a clown for starting this thread.

[skinsguy]

I definitely think the Redskins should have punted on fourth down instead of going for it. They were down by two scores with plenty of time left and an offense that was starting to heat up. Gruden really screwed the pooch there. However, I've see Bilicheck make the same call before (and I have also seen him fail), so I can't fault Gruden too much. I understand that Gruden is merely evaluating the team. I understand the team has no shot at making the playoffs. But, I also understand there is a time where a call is gutsy and where it is just stupid. I have to say, it was a stupid call.

Still, though, Gruden deserves another chance with an upgraded roster. Getting rid of him after one season is not going to do your franchise any favors in my opinion. The changes, some type of change anyway, needs to happen on the front office level.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's so hard to judge though. You don't know if the scouts are presenting poor options, or if they are selecting people they're told to look for, or if they have good options that are getting ignored. I mean it's ultimately up to higher ups in the FO to make the calls. A scout might say "We like Moses' potential. He could be a great 5th-6th round choice" But if Allen takes him in the 3rd, that's not on the scout. That's just an example

A big problem though, that I've mentioned in the "Getting to Know the Scouting Process" thread is these scouts spend the whole season looking for what one HC wants and then at the end of the year here comes a new HC with different ideas.

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

That is great and all but Synder would have to hire this guy. Don't know if he wants someone like that around.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization

We did that with Shanahan and it didn't work.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

If he holds the fort, stop the bleeding, anything. Beat Dallas and the Giants then he deserves another year, but if he keeps making desperate moves then he has to go. But to be fair he was set up to fail. He had to keep Haz and Mc Vay.

Is this the criteria we're going off of for dismantling an entire coaching staff?

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I dont get the Gruden hate already.
Hes not even done with his first season.
WTF....I bet you guys walk out of a movie after the first 15 minutes.
Grudens beginning is very similar to Joe Gibbs......

Since when is 3-9 equal to 8-8?

Face it, I've been saying it for a while, but the rest of you guys are just starting to realize it, Gruden is a garbage coach, he is the main problem with this team right now

[TheGuyFromOverThere]

Originally Posted by mooby

Is this the criteria we're going off of for dismantling an entire coaching staff?

Jepp. If you beat those two and go 4-12 for 20 years, your job is save - because you´ve beaten those two.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is great and all but Snyder would have to hire this guy. Don't know if he wants someone like that around.

Say the magic word and win the debate.