Classless Coach Belichick

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

doesn't make it right...

It just doesnt instill confidence in your team... You could say something like "they are an excellent football team and were gonna have to come out and execute our gameplan perfectly"

instead of basically saying "we're screwed... we cant think of any way to beat them and neither can anyone else"

It was like he was preemptively taking heat off of the players for a loss that hadn't happened yet, and then with Carlos Rogers pulling a Man-Ram talking about how this game wasn't the end of the world and 4-3 is still good before the game... I kinda felt like that was the tone set, and that starts at the top.

I agree, the players should be getting fired up for the game and wanting to win. Teams that cuase upsets dont go and say to themselves were basically screwed, they try to pump themselves up to play to a level that might be beyond them. Football is a game that can still be about who wants it more, and the pats really wanted it more then us.

Although I still say we should have went after their season by just roughing Brady up a little and make them pull him or risk injury.

[dcweldon]

Classless or not, we deserve to loose like that if we aren't going to show up on the same field as the other team.

I think it's time for these boys to start playing like men and put a helmet in someone's chest and knock 'em over and get in the endzone.

[offiss]

Pretty typical, as usual many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue!

[SmootSmack]

I'd respond, but I'm sure you'll say something about I have no actual football knowledge and I'm just a cheerleader and so on, so I won't bother.

[squrrelco3]

Late comer as usual...

Do I think Belichick ran up the score? absolutely...

Now the next question...does it really matter?

They won, we lost...on to the Meadowlands!!!!!

[irish]

What are the Pats supposed to do not play anymore. Maybe us fans should be upset that the D couldnt stop anyone all day and the o was inept as usual. This game shows what a well disciplined, well coached team can do. Unfortunately the Skins are neither.

[irish]

Originally Posted by offiss

Pretty typical, as usual many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue!

This is the best post I have see on this site in a long long time. You hitthe nail on the head!

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

yeah,.. where's all the winner talk after that beautiful game??


I actually would've sent the house after brady every play after they went for it on forth down up 38-0 going into the fourth quarter. fuck the score I would've beaten the shit out of ayone in their backfield... fines be damned...

I agree wholeheartedly. I would have brought a full-house blitz on every play, Landry and Taylor coming each time, if they hit big plays to Moss who cares. If you want to be mad at the coaching staff for something be mad at GW for not doing that.

Look, the only way you can beat the Pats, it seems, is to have your offense completely dominate time of possession and get some turnovers. Its going to be tough and we all kind of knew the Skins did not have the offense for the job going into this game. I doubt many of us expected 52-7, but the majority realized it was very much a longshot for the Skins to go into Foxboro and get a win. That being said, I still do not understand why people on here are actually defending the Patriots. I do not understand how you would not be seething with some anger after that display and then after Belichick's comments postgame. On the plus side it does seem like it is mostly newbies who apparently felt like antagonizing someone after the game and logged onto the Warpath, I still do not get it though. Look guys, they are a bunch of lowlifes up there and it is not just the Redskins fans on this site who are saying that. I have directed people numerous times to Gregg Easterbrook's TMQ column from last week because I thought he summed up everything very nicely, and did so long before kickoff Sunday. I will copy the pertinent bits below because I know it is a very long column and you probably don't want to sort through the whole thing.

Excerpt from ESPN Page 2 - TMQ: Good vs. Evil


"On Sunday, the Patriots led the winless Dolphins 42-7 late in the third quarter, yet Tom Brady was still behind center. And he wasn't just handing off the ball to grind the clock, either. Rather, he was back in the shotgun, still throwing to run up the score. Here is a summary of the Patriots' possession with a 42-7 lead late in the third and Brady, Randy Moss and the rest of their offensive starters on the field: Pass, run, pass, run, pass, pass. When backup quarterback Matt Cassel entered the game in the fourth quarter, with the Patriots leading 42-14 -- a margin larger than the greatest fourth-quarter comeback in NFL history (see below) -- did he hand off the ball to grind the clock? Here were Patriots' coaches first three calls: Run, pass, pass. Cassel's second pass was intercepted and returned for a touchdown, and Brady re-entered the game. Did he grind down the clock? Pass, pass, run, run, pass. The final score was 49-28.

The week before, New England led Dallas 42-27 and had second-and-goal on the Cowboys' 6-yard line with 1:43 remaining and Dallas out of timeouts. Three kneel-downs would have ended the game. But Belichick kept calling plays, frantic to run up the score -- including calling a play with 23 seconds remaining from the Dallas 1-yard line, resulting in a touchdown that made the final New England 48, Dallas 27. The Patriots then kicked off, and Dallas got the ball with 13 seconds remaining. Cowboys coach Wade Phillips showed the dignity Belichick lacked and ordered a kneel-down. Beyond defeating division-leading Dallas, New England has beaten six teams with a combined record of 11-27. In New England's six games against nonwinning teams, Belichick kept the starters in long after the outcome was decided, trying to run up the score. This doesn't just demonstrate Belichick has no class (although it certainly demonstrates that). It's worse -- this suggests something vindictive.

Yes, you can find games the Colts have won by a big margin in recent years, and yes, Manning was on the field through the fourth quarter at Jacksonville last night. But in that quarter, the Colts mainly ran to grind the clock: If they had wanted to win by more, they likely could have. As for New England's running up the score, supposedly the Patriots are angry about the Beli-Cheat scandal and are scoring points like crazy to express their anger against the world. Wait a moment: What right do the Patriots have to be angry? They, after all, are the ones who admitted to systematic cheating. Other people didn't impose that situation on them -- they cheated of their own free accord, imposing the tainting of their accomplishments on themselves. The Patriots were not wronged; they wronged others. Yet they're mad about being caught, and they seem to want to take out their bad feelings about themselves by embarrassing second-echelon teams. That bespeaks lack of character. That's Dark Side. That's Evil."

[djnemo65]

When they did it to other people I let it slide, but now it's personal. I am going to enjoy rooting against these guys for the rest of time.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

you know, though guys... we did score like 52 points on a pathetic 49er team a couple of years ago. I don't think we went for it on fourth in the redzone ahead by forty, nor would we have, but we buried that team and scored in the fourth quarter there as well...

I know you weren't making a direct comparison, but I'm glad you brought up that game because I had wanted to previously. It actually is a PERFECT example of sportsmanship and how you can score 52 points and do it with CLASS. Go look at the play-by-play of that game. The Redskins did score 17 points in the second half (you might say they ONLY scored 17 in the second half when they could have scored a lot more). But they attempted only 5 passes in the second half. They got a turnover and started with the ball on the SF 3 yard line in the third quarter and scored, they started at mid-field with 8:55 to go in the 3rd quarter and scored a field goal, BUT they ran the ball SEVEN of nine plays on that drive, they also DID NOT attempt to go for it on fourth and 3 from the SF 9 yard line (sound like a familiar situation?). They then scored again on a drive that started at the WAS 49 with 13:02 to go in the 4th, BUT they did so by running the ball six straight times with LADELL BETTS AND ROCK CARTWRIGHT because Clinton Portis and Brunell were out of the game. When they got the ball with 2:00 minutes to go in the fourth quarter Patrick Ramsey kneeled the ball three times and ended the game.

For all of those who didn't understand what was wrong with the Patriots going for it on 4th or running up the score and were anxious to understand why everyone was mad; for all of those who wanted to know "where is the line" and say we should "stop whining," take a look at the Skins-Niners game from 2005. That is how you win with class, that is sportsmanship, that is how you respect the game of football. Had the Patriots done what the Skins had in 2005 but still scored no one would have a problem here. If you still can't figure it out then I can't help you.

NFL Game Center: Play-by-Play - San Francisco 49ers at Washington Redskins - 2005 7

[MTK]

Belichick has no class... but then again that's really not anything new.

I'd be willing to bet that those that seem to have no problem with the Pats running up the score would be furious if the Skins were doing the same thing.

I would love to see Brady get his knee blown out while he's tossing his 5th TD during meaningless garbage time in a game.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Dlyne8r

I know, I should wait until 24-hrs. before I post. But, my emotions have the best of me at this moment. What a classless act Bill Belichick is. O.k., we're down 38 to zip late in the 2nd half and this fuck is throwing deep routes and anything else that may put more points on the board! What did we do to piss him off already?? Granted, the Pats out played us, out coached us, out scored us. Give them credit for that. They are an awesome force. But, when they had us beat, and beat bad, what did they do? They kept pouring it on. Enough! We're done. We're toast. Raise the freakin' white flag! I have never been a proponent of dirty play, but after it became apparent that Belichick was going to run up the score on the 'Skins, I would have sent the house on Brady on every single play. Yep, damn the torpedos. Even if it had caused a personal foul each and every blitz, if I were Gibbs and/or Greg Williams, I'd have pummeled Brady for Belichick's transgression. Buried his ass in the turf. Brady seemed so smug on the sidelines anyway. I only watched the end of the game to see what Gibbs' reaction would be when he met Belichick to shake hands. I was hoping for something similar to a Chuck Noll / Jerry Glanville interaction. Back in the day, Noll at least had the balls to get in Glanville's grille and let him know how he didn't appreciate how "Glandville" ran up the score on the Steelers that day. I have yet to see, or hear, any response from Gibbs after this embarrassing loss, but after the clock ran out, the camera was following Gibbs and it appeared that he simply avoided Belichick and ran off the field. Someone please tell me that I missed something and that Gibbs addressed this issue and stepped up for the team. Because if he didn't, I've lost a great amount of respect for him, and I love the guy. I had great respect for the Pats, and even Belichick, until today. I now hope they go down in a very very painful way.

Coach Gibbs publically announced in the week leading up to the game that the Redskins had virtually no hope of winning this game, and stated that they were the "biggest underdogs in history". He literally displayed a large dose of "no faith in his team", and you are worried whether or not he shook Belicheats hand and got in his face for running up the score?

I am more concerned that Gibbs had written this game off as a loss, several days before the coin toss. What kind of message does he send the team with that attitude?

But you are right, Belichick has to be careful, as long as he appears to keep embarrasing teams and purposely running up the score, he might place his stars in harms way. Someday someone is going to take that late hit on Brady around the knees. Someone is going to lead a helment into Moss's head, someone is going to purposely crack-block Vrabel. Again, they need to be careful, they have already been labeled "cheaters" and now "class-less", I know NFL players are professionals, but sooner or later a player is going to take offense to the way Belichick is doing business and come to the conclusion that the penalty and subsequent fine will be worth the late hit.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Belichick has no class... but then again that's really not anything new.

I'd be willing to bet that those that seem to have no problem with the Pats running up the score would be furious if the Skins were doing the same thing.

I would love to see Brady get his knee blown out while he's tossing his 5th TD during meaningless garbage time in a game.

I just cant see how NE could have done it any differently. They went for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG. The FG would have been rubbing the Skins noses in it. At least the Skins had a chance to stop them on 4th and they couldnt.

I have no problem with any team scoring as much as they can. The only way to disrespect the game is to stop playing hard. You cant tell guys that want to get noticed or keep their jobs to stop playing.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I would love to see Brady get his knee blown out while he's tossing his 5th TD during meaningless garbage time in a game.

As much as I hate to admit it, so do I. Actually I know what would be even better: If brady were to get shoved out of bounds and he blows out his knee after running full speed into the goblin known as belichick and splitting his head open.

Okay, so maybe that's pretty classless of me, but I don't think it's really that much different than going for it on 4th and 2 with a 40+ point lead and passing it off by saying "well, they still could come back."

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Coach Gibbs publically announced in the week leading up to the game that the Redskins had virtually no hope of winning this game, and stated that they were the "biggest underdogs in history". He literally displayed a large dose of "no faith in his team", and you are worried whether or not he shook Belicheats hand and got in his face for running up the score?

I am more concerned that Gibbs had written this game off as a loss, several days before the coin toss. What kind of message does he send the team with that attitude?

It was a classic coaching cliche, talk up the other team, say it's going to be a tough game. What do you want him to say? We're going to kick their asses all over the field? Come on. Why are so many people acting so freaking clueless? It's driving me insane.