Big Ben off the hook again.

tootergray34 · 04-13-2010, 01:35 PM

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See this is where I think Goodell is on questionable ground. You are calling Big Ben a repeat offender but he hasn't been arrested for either case. Suspending players for bad press? That sounds like a softball for an attorney if you ask me. I think there is a big difference when someone is arrested over and over again and not convicted as opposed to just being accused.

I think it is a very bad precedent to suspend players on accusations alone. I know this last case smells but what is next, you suspend players for staring too long at the cheerleaders?

Yeah, cause the commish isn't a moron, he knows Big Ben is an idiot and stupid as a box of rocks. Everybody knows Big Ben has done something wrong here, and the commish wants to and SHOULD make an example out of him, who knows, maybe it will get a 27 year old man out of COLLEGE bars in the middle of Georgia. But i'm waiting for a million more of these things to happen to Big Ben then have him admit he has a sex addiction...just like Tiger...

Monkeydad · 04-13-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

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See this is where I think Goodell is on questionable ground. You are calling Big Ben a repeat offender but he hasn't been arrested for either case. Suspending players for bad press? That sounds like a softball for an attorney if you ask me. I think there is a big difference when someone is arrested over and over again and not convicted as opposed to just being accused.

I think it is a very bad precedent to suspend players on accusations alone. I know this last case smells but what is next, you suspend players for staring too long at the cheerleaders?

It's not based on accusations, it's based on facts.

Facts such as:

*He's repeatedly using bad judgment, from the motorcycle to these multiple sexual assault claims. Bad personal conduct means bad press for the team, the league and all athletes who will be stereotyped because of the actions of a prominent player.

*He's voluntarily putting himself in these situations and in with these crowds. He's choosing to be put in compromising situations.

*This is not the first time he's been involved in a situation like this, whether pursued legally or not. The "wrong place, wrong time" defense only works once. After that, it becomes a pattern of behavior. His two accusations/incidents were not too far apart, time-wise either. It doesn't appear he's learned from his previous mess, or even his motorcycle accident. Sure, it was an "accident", but he doesn't seem to value his career or realize he's an asset of the team that needs to be protected.

*Other players have been punished for far less-severe situations. Just because law enforcement or the legal system doesn't spell out a decision, that doesn't mean no crime was committed. In this case, there was apparently "not enough evidence to prosecute and win a case" according to the DA. We really don't have to bring up OJ or Kobe Bryant, do we? Although there was not enough evidence to go forward with a case, there WAS a lot of evidence that Ben acted without any common sense, possibly morals and many of the facts that were present (age, condition of victim, the location of her bruises with a "oh she just fell down and bruised her vagina" explanation from him. The facts that were there point to something very bad for Roethlisberger, they just claimed they couldn't find enough of these.

I do realize there are false accusations and the Duke debacle should have taught us all a lesson...but when someone is repeatedly finding themselves put into defending themselves against the same accusation, perhaps the individual needs to evaluate their life and decisions they're making. A suspension might push Ben to do this whether he's guilty or not. No matter what the legal outcome was, he is hurting the team and league with his decisions and lack of caring (or common sense).

It may not even take a decision by Goodell to give him some time off. The Rooneys and Steelers are considering doing it themselves and after trading Holmes for equally-stupid but less severe offenses...they're serious.

Steelers ponder suspension of Roethlisberger

It seems like they're preparing for the worst-case scenario and not having Roethlisberger permanently...they just re-signed the ancient Charlie Batch for 2 more years.

Steelers' Batch accepts two-year deal

TheBackupKicker · 04-13-2010, 01:46 PM

I hope Roger Goodell takes his head out of bens ass and suspends this serial rapist

Pocket$ $traight · 04-13-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBackupKicker

I hope Roger Goodell takes his head out of bens ass and suspends this serial rapist

See this is an ignorant statement. Were you there? Are you an expert on rape cases? He wasn't even arrested but you are qualified to label him as a serial rapist?

Come on now.

TheBackupKicker · 04-13-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

See this is an ignorant statement. Were you there? Are you an expert on rape cases? He wasn't even arrested but you are qualified to label him as a serial rapist?

Come on now.

hes been accused of rape over 3 times now

if you cant see that hes a rapist u r ignorant and stupid

Pocket$ $traight · 04-13-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBackupKicker

hes been accused of rape over 3 times now

if you cant see that hes a rapist u r ignorant and stupid

Wow, you really made your case with that response. "Over three times". I am aware of two. What are the other 2 plus cases that I am not aware of and that law enforcement has chosen to ignore?

Enlighten me...

TheBackupKicker · 04-13-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Wow, you really made your case with that response. "Over three times". I am aware of two. What are the other 2 plus cases that I am not aware of and that law enforcement has chosen to ignore?

Enlighten me...

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TheBackupKicker · 04-13-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

See this is an ignorant statement. Were you there? Are you an expert on rape cases? He wasn't even arrested but you are qualified to label him as a serial rapist?

Come on now.

just in case if you try to defend ur boy about being accussed 3 times

Boston attorney says he investigated another Roethlisberger incident | ProFootballTalk.com

Monkeydad · 04-13-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBackupKicker

just in case if you try to defend ur boy about being accussed 3 times

Boston attorney says he investigated another Roethlisberger incident | ProFootballTalk.com

Don't be too confident if that's your source (PFT.com).

Pocket$ $traight · 04-13-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBackupKicker

just in case if you try to defend ur boy about being accussed 3 times

Boston attorney says he investigated another Roethlisberger incident | ProFootballTalk.com

He isn't my boy in fact I would rather have Big Ben off the field because it helps the Redskins goal. But I have a problem with someone being labeled a serial rapist when they have never been arrested for a single sexual crime.

TheBackupKicker · 04-13-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

He isn't my boy in fact I would rather have Big Ben off the field because it helps the Redskins goal. But I have a problem with someone being labeled a serial rapist when they have never been arrested for a single sexual crime.

I have a problem with him getting away with it everytime

Monkeydad · 04-13-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

He isn't my boy in fact I would rather have Big Ben off the field because it helps the Redskins goal. But I have a problem with someone being labeled a serial rapist when they have never been arrested for a single sexual crime.

I agree the label is wrong.

However, I think he needs to learn a lesson and grow up. A suspension may help that process along. If not, he'll end up like Santonio Holmes, but may not be as lucky to go to a contender, or anywhere. The Steelers were 24 hours away from outright cutting him. For some reason, the Jets offered a draft pick. Then again, they also picked up Antonio Cromartie and Braylon Edwards. They're becoming "Dallas-North".

skinsfan69 · 04-13-2010, 02:56 PM

It's now being reported that this same thing happened in another bar a while back but the girl decided not to move forward. I'm starting to think that this guy needs to be sat down for a while and he needs to get some professional help.

SmootSmack · 04-13-2010, 03:01 PM

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It's now being reported that this same thing happened in another bar a while back but the girl decided not to move forward. I'm starting to think that this guy needs to be sat down for a while and he needs to get some professional help.

He has a rep among players and media, no doubt. I don't really know him, never met the guy or anything like that. But those that have all said the same thing when this incident in Georgia was first reported "Not surprised at all"

Pocket$ $traight · 04-13-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's now being reported that this same thing happened in another bar a while back but the girl decided not to move forward. I'm starting to think that this guy needs to be sat down for a while and he needs to get some professional help.

Well at what point to we point the finger at law enforcment and district attorneys? You can't tell me the method to Ben's madness is to get shitfaced and then methodically execute rapes and then cover his tracks.

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