2014 salary cap....and the money we have

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanOttawa

Hey CrazyCanuck, I will stay in Ontario thanks for the heads up man I love going over to Montreal though once in a while (what a city). I don't think I'll stop that practice. Where are you at in Quebec?

Ok cool, thanks for the salary cap update. I would like to compare notes for sure. Let me know and I can get you the spreadsheet I have. Right now even with Meriweather still on the books (but not Fletcher or Morgan or any other FA) I have us at just under $33mill of cap space. I'd like to know where I'm off.

This includes the $1.4mill of carryforward and the escalators that came out last week for Polumbus and Helu. Also I have us at only $155K of dead money contracts. Also just calculating the top 51.

Hey SFO.... I'm in Montreal... It's a nice place to visit but I don't recommend living here. I'm ready to cross the Ontario border and commute at this point.

As for the cap, the new sheets should be up here soon. I think you'll find our numbers match pretty closely:

- I have a carryover of about $1.6M. I have the $155K of dead money and the salary escalators for Helu and Polumbus. And I'm calculating Top 51.

- Merriweather is a $2.2M savings, if you take him out you'll be at the $30M cap room number.

When the new sheets are posted we can dig further but we're all in the same ballpark.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Harvin is cheap? The trade for Harvin involved a 1st, a 3rd, and a 7th. His contract is $11 mil. a year.

I bet their GM and Carroll wished they hadn't done the deal for Harvin. What has Harvin provided for Seattle so far? They could have just kept their picks and saved the money. He's obviously not a top wr cause he can't stay on the field. I think they thought that he was the one player that could push them over the top. They were wrong. They're already a great team w/out him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Because Pete and their GM actually know what they are doing. Hopefully the Skins play copycat.

I think it comes down to knowing what type of team they wanted to build and executing their plan to perfection. They had a true blueprint, not sure we really ever had one under MS.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think it comes down to knowing what type of team they wanted to build and executing their plan to perfection. They had a true blueprint, not sure we really ever had one under MS.

The plan under Mike Shanahan was to do things the "right way" which more or less boiled down to making only easy decisions, making public examples of players, tearing down and never building, and then a desperation play for a quarterback two years in. You know, the right way.

[SkinsFanOttawa]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Hey SFO.... I'm in Montreal... It's a nice place to visit but I don't recommend living here. I'm ready to cross the Ontario border and commute at this point.

As for the cap, the new sheets should be up here soon. I think you'll find our numbers match pretty closely:

- I have a carryover of about $1.6M. I have the $155K of dead money and the salary escalators for Helu and Polumbus. And I'm calculating Top 51.

- Merriweather is a $2.2M savings, if you take him out you'll be at the $30M cap room number.

When the new sheets are posted we can dig further but we're all in the same ballpark.

Ah sorry to hear things aren't that good in Quebec these days CC. I don't blame you for wanting to live in Ontario even though we are getting taxed to death as well. If it's any consolation the winter this year sucks donkey balls as well. I still love Montreal, but maybe it's just mostly Crescent street and the "scenery"

Ok so we are close. The only discrepancy I have is that you are around $30mill and I'm at $33 but if I take Meriweather out then I'd have an additional $2.2M of savings so then $35M total. Sounds good once you post your sheets we can compare closer.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanOttawa

Ok so we are close. The only discrepancy I have is that you are around $30mill and I'm at $33 but if I take Meriweather out then I'd have an additional $2.2M of savings so then $35M total. Sounds good once you post your sheets we can compare closer.

O ya good point. Sorry for my math, a weekend of crunching numbers will do that.

[MTK]

New sheets are up. Thanks CC.

[SkinsFanOttawa]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

New sheets are up. Thanks CC.

Hi there, thanks for this. Where is it I can see the sheets?

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

New sheets are up. Thanks CC.

Originally Posted by SkinsFanOttawa

Hi there, thanks for this. Where is it I can see the sheets?

Thanks Matty. SFO you can see the cap sheets by clicking "Salary Cap Info" at the top of the page under the banner, or you can click the middle link in my signature. You might have to refresh the pages to see the latest version.

[NYCskinfan82]

Redskins could gain even more cap room | Comcast SportsNet Washington

More info on the cap.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Orakpo is a fit in every scheme, but the good news I think is that the 4-3 teams are going to have a hard time pushing themselves past 8 or 8.5 million a year for a sam linebacker. Jacksonville or Seattle are the obvious exceptions. If Oakland loses Lamarr Houston, they're in as well.

The 3-4 teams would obviously be willing to go to 10 or 11 for Orakpo, but I'm not sure how many established 3-4 teams are short a pass rusher. Cleveland has cap space, but they just invested in Mingo and Kruger last year. The Bears are a threat once they release Peppers. The Colts aren't going to part with Mathis, so they're not in on it. Ditto Suggs and the Ravens. Woodley and the Steelers. The Packers and Matthews. The Jets are a real threat though. As are the Patriots, but they can be priced out at $10 million.

I think those are the biggest threats for Orakpo: Seattle, Jacksonville, Chicago, and the Jets. We should be able to make best offer. But it might go to $11 million.

We have absolutely no excuse for not getting 'Rak back. We have the money to spare so unless he goes Chris Johnson on us and demands to be the highest-paid player in football, we have the cap room to beat anyone else's offer.

[SkinsFanOttawa]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Thanks Matty. SFO you can see the cap sheets by clicking "Salary Cap Info" at the top of the page under the banner, or you can click the middle link in my signature. You might have to refresh the pages to see the latest version.

Thank you sir. Ok, I have taken a look at your sheets and compared them to what I have. We are off about $5M (if you take Fletcher and Morgan off the books) and that is actually the major discrepancy that I see.

What I wasn't taking into account was that Fletcher and Morgan off the books will count in additional dead money - $2.1M and $3.3M respectively for a total of $5.4M. That's pretty much our difference. So yes our cap space will be about $28M or so without those 2. I based my calcs on SpotRac and they don't have any account for their additional dead money, just the $155K. I really don't understand Morgan's or Meriweather's contracts for that matter. I don't get the dead money for Morgan I thought he was a UFA.

Here's the other minor differences I noted:

Richard Quinn – I have $420K .. you have $730K
Ryan Mouton - I have $420K .. you have $645K
David Gettis - I have $420K .. you have $570K
Kevin Kowalski - I don't have this guy at all .. you have $570K
Robert Malone - I have $420K .. you have $570K
Will Compton – I have as an ERFA .. you have $495K
Phillip Thomas – I have $601K .. you have $526K
Jeremy Kimbrough – I have $496K .. you have $421K

[HailGreen28]

Very educational. Can't believe how much we paid for Josh Morgan. Love how little dead cap we have. Thanks CrazyCanuck!

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanOttawa

I really don't understand Morgan's or Meriweather's contracts for that matter. I don't get the dead money for Morgan I thought he was a UFA.

Here's the other minor differences I noted:

Richard Quinn – I have $420K .. you have $730K
Ryan Mouton - I have $420K .. you have $645K
David Gettis - I have $420K .. you have $570K
Kevin Kowalski - I don't have this guy at all .. you have $570K
Robert Malone - I have $420K .. you have $570K
Will Compton – I have as an ERFA .. you have $495K
Phillip Thomas – I have $601K .. you have $526K
Jeremy Kimbrough – I have $496K .. you have $421K

- Merriweather, Morgan, and Fletcher's contracts all have team void options after the 2013 season.

- For the other guys you mentioned, the discrepancies seem to be related to minimum salaries and years of experience. For instance, the min salary for a rookie is $420K, but I have Quinn with 3 years of experience which would get him to $645K, 4 years would get him to $730K. Similar discrepancies exist for the others.

Anyways these are negligible differences, we're all on the same page.

[Schneed10]

CC your sheets make things so easy to analyze. I saw OvertheCap's stuff and the numbers looked good, but honestly it's too hard to deal with. Yours are the most well-laid out on the web.

After a first-cut analysis, I think these are the obvious moves you can expect to see:

- The team is likely to approach Trent Williams about an extension to bring his $11M cap hit down in 2014. They could restructure his $7.25M base salary into a signing bonus, plus add additional guarantees to lock him in for a long time while bringing down the cap number.

- The team will take a hard line with Josh Morgan. Accept a pay cut or begone. The team has all the leverage with him.

- While I'm not as sure as I am with Trent, I think they'd approach Kerrigan (if not this spring then sometime in the summer) to extend him.

- Polumbus is a goner.

- They will have a tough call on Carriker, cutting him would free some space. But not oodles. They can afford to keep him no doubt. I'll bet Haslett goes to bat for him and they give him another shot. If he can't make it back he'll be a camp casualty.