Who is "weakest" team with winning record?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

If you were a realist you would understand that were a mediocre offense with really good special teams and a very stout defense. The offenses inability to put teams away does not take away from the defense pretty much winning all our games for us. If Santana Moss doesnt fumble in the Packers game, and Joe Gibbs quits coaching like hes scared to run up the score than we crush the Giants, that would mean we would have 1 loss on our record, its amazing how two simple mistakes can make a good team look mediocre.

GiantsSuck,

Just because you can make quick excuses for our shortcomings doesn't make them go away. If you going to blame a HOF coach for costing his team the Giants game for "being scared," then it's pretty likely you have no idea why we lost that game, and are just throwing something out there.

I have no issue with that, so long as you don't confuse that with things that are actually happening.

I think you can describe our defense as very stout, although we are giving up plenty of yards against the run. Overall, we are a top 1/4 defense in this league thus far.

But to describe our special teams as really good without acknowledging incredibly short kickoffs, and not so great kickoff coverage, and a punt return game of which it's single best achievement this year is not turning the ball over...that's just not a good job of evaluation.

There are things to like about our special teams unit, namely Rock Cartwright, and a punt coverage team who smothers everything, but you described our special teams unit as "very good", which is simply overlooking the major issues with it.

As far as the offenses ability to put teams away, how is that not a symptom of a bigger problem that his just inconsistency all around?

I appreciate your optimism, but being optimistic is one thing, but telling someone else they aren't being realistic because they aren't optimistic is another.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Matty - If Boller was the answer, Billick would have stuck with him during McNair's injury. Billick knows Boller isn't worth the Charmin Extra-Soft he wipes his butt with, and that McNair is his best chance to win.

As far as the Skins go, the defense has bailed the offense out more than once, and until the offense can continually produce as they did in the Lions game, it's going to be close games from here on out. Does that make them weak? No, just makes them aware that any mistake can be quite costly.

Oh my god McNair is AWFUL. If Billick does not start Boller then he should be fired. Watching McNair the other night it reminded me of watching Brunell in the rain at Philly last year. McNair looked old, slow and brittle the other night and he refused to throw the ball over 8 yards. He IS NOT a starting NFL QB anymore. I know Boller might not be the guy but anything is better than McNair at this point.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Oh my god McNair is AWFUL. If Billick does not start Boller then he should be fired. Watching McNair the other night it reminded me of watching Brunell in the rain at Philly last year. McNair looked old, slow and brittle the other night and he refused to throw the ball over 8 yards. He IS NOT a starting NFL QB anymore. I know Boller might not be the guy but anything is better than McNair at this point.

McNair may be a shell of his former self, but think about what you are arguing here.

Boller (2007)--5.4 yards/attempt (against the softest schedule ever), and a bleh 59.5% completion.

McNair (2007)--5.5 yards/attempt (against a harder schedule), but has completed 64.8%

So Boller is just as bad in that offense than McNair is, but more likely to F up. No worse as far as getting the ball down the field.

Shouldn't have cut Derek Anderson

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Matty - If Boller was the answer, Billick would have stuck with him during McNair's injury. Billick knows Boller isn't worth the Charmin Extra-Soft he wipes his butt with, and that McNair is his best chance to win.

If McNair is their best option with the sorry state he's in, they are truly F'd.

I know Boller isn't anything special but at least he's got a live arm. McNair is completely broken down right now. It's sad to watch him like that.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If McNair is their best option with the sorry state he's in, they are truly F'd.

I know Boller isn't anything special but at least he's got a live arm. McNair is completely broken down right now. It's sad to watch him like that.

yeah he really has dropped alot over the past couple of seasons.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

McNair may be a shell of his former self, but think about what you are arguing here.

Boller (2007)--5.4 yards/attempt (against the softest schedule ever), and a bleh 59.5% completion.

McNair (2007)--5.5 yards/attempt (against a harder schedule), but has completed 64.8%

So Boller is just as bad in that offense than McNair is, but more likely to F up. No worse as far as getting the ball down the field.

Shouldn't have cut Derek Anderson

McNair should complete 80% cause he never thows the ball more than 5 yards. It's almost comical. At least Boller has the ability and it looks like he has improved in the limited time he has played. McNair just can't do it anymore and it's time to move on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

McNair should complete 80% cause he never thows the ball more than 5 yards. It's almost comical. At least Boller has the ability and it looks like he has improved in the limited time he has played. McNair just can't do it anymore and it's time to move on.

But what is your excuse for Boller then? If McNair is that he never throws downfield (seems to fit), why has Boller been even worse?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

GiantsSuck,

Just because you can make quick excuses for our shortcomings doesn't make them go away. If you going to blame a HOF coach for costing his team the Giants game for "being scared," then it's pretty likely you have no idea why we lost that game, and are just throwing something out there.

I have no issue with that, so long as you don't confuse that with things that are actually happening.

I think you can describe our defense as very stout, although we are giving up plenty of yards against the run. Overall, we are a top 1/4 defense in this league thus far.

But to describe our special teams as really good without acknowledging incredibly short kickoffs, and not so great kickoff coverage, and a punt return game of which it's single best achievement this year is not turning the ball over...that's just not a good job of evaluation.

There are things to like about our special teams unit, namely Rock Cartwright, and a punt coverage team who smothers everything, but you described our special teams unit as "very good", which is simply overlooking the major issues with it.

As far as the offenses ability to put teams away, how is that not a symptom of a bigger problem that his just inconsistency all around?

I appreciate your optimism, but being optimistic is one thing, but telling someone else they aren't being realistic because they aren't optimistic is another.

I really have no problem with the fact that hes not optimistic, really. I love to debate and it just wouldnt be that fun if everyone agreed all the time. Im just voicing my opinion, does that make me right? No, its just my opinion. I think its great that Paul sticks to his guns and doesnt drink the Kool-aid, but I choose to see it from another angle, but I really dont want that to come off as me attacking other posters, if it came off that way I apologize.

[jsarno]

To answer the question...probably us right now. (or anyone in the AFC West...LOL)

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If McNair is their best option with the sorry state he's in, they are truly F'd.

Why yes, yes they are...and with the injuries to their defense, games like their "effort" against Pittsburgh will become more of the norm.

It's pretty much 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other in regards to McNair and Boller. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think the team rallies around McNair more than Boller, so you have to go with that veteran leadership. However, McNair's been on his last legs for several years now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they start to utilize a two QB system...