Who called the 2nd timeout?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I disagree with you SS. While I think the national media can be dismissive, the DC media is incredibly sympathetic, as are the fans. The expectation when he walked through that door in 2004 was championship, nothing less. Gibbs knew that and welcomed that challenge. Unfair? Perhaps, but in the parity-driven NFL that's the expectation for all 32 teams and their head coaches - who are generally fired after year 3 if the team does not appear to be on at least a championship track. Well here we are year 4 and we're not, in my opinion, close to that standard. He's a good, solid, decent man, and some part of me hurts to see him attacked. But in the NFL that's what you risk when you wear the crown. For a shot at the sweetest glory you expose yourself to ridicule and worse if you fail.

And I'm sorry, he's failing.

We're going to have to agree to disagree, I guess. Maybe because I consider guys like Pollin, Czaban, Doc Walker local media even though they are national as well. And the fans? Hardly sympathetic.

I mean I keep hearing about how tough it's been all week for the players, for Williams. How they left it all on the field. But...well I've hardly heard anything about that for Gibbs, and I just don't believe for one minute anyone would have given him any credit for a win.

I agree that it was a boneheaded move on his part, but I hope that Redskins fans and the media aren't so narrow minded as to continue to blame everything single mistake on him. It may seem like I go overboard to defend Gibbs, but sometimes I have to just to balance out all the absolute hate there is towards him.

As a fan I want him back next year. But as a friend (of a friend of a friend of a friend, etc.) I think he deserves better than to be involved with this organization and its fans.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Every Coach in the NFL but just 1 fails every season. If you don't win the Super Bowl you failed. Period.

I think Gibbs is human and makes mistakes but he is the best thing that has happened to this team in a Decade and there is no one I can see to replace him with that would be any better.

He will be back next year as Coach and I want him back. After Coaching I "think" he was promised a part of the Team and the position of President of Football Operations or something like that. He ain't going anywhere.

Hail Skins
mike

[Paintrain]

My only question to the staunch Gibbs supporters is, if this was ANYONE else who has posted the record he has in the past 4 years, with the team playing like they do, making time management gaffes and with the current state and direction of the team, would you be be calling for a change-yes or no?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My only question to the staunch Gibbs supporters is, if this was ANYONE else who has posted the record he has in the past 4 years, with the team playing like they do, making time management gaffes and with the current state and direction of the team, would you be be calling for a change-yes or no?

I'll be honest....I'm not sure. In 2004 the defense was spectacular, but the offense and the record were putrid. In 2005, the offense was actually decent (ranked 11th), the defense was solid, and the record was very good. In 2006, we were simply all-around bad. In 2007, although the coaches have made some bad decisions, but I still feel that player execution (e.g., JC throwing untimely picks) has been less than ideal. I would keep the entire coaching staff intact and give them another year, hoping that JC's experience would bring good things and that we would not have so many injuries next season. If things didn't turn around in 2008, I'd probably want a new coach.

But, the fact is that our coach is Gibbs. What is our team without Gibbs? I don't know, but if it were not for him I might be a mod on Wizards board.

[redsk1]

I'm a big longtime JG fan. I've been critical of him but I was always positive about him turning this team around. A couple weeks ago i wanted him to come back for his 5 season too.

I've been pushed to the other side of the fence now and have to come to the realization that I'd like to see JG gone after this season. Not neccessarily b/c of the "2nd timeout" but b/c of the overall lack of any sort of balls.

You have a game where the bills have been successful moving the ball in the second half, playing against a team w/ a great fg kicker, and playing w/ a defense that it emotionally spent w/ many injuries. Oh yeah, and we've been averaging 2 yards a rush all game. Sooooo...why don't we actually try to WIN THE GAME instead of trying to run the clock down and have the bills use their timeouts. I am so sick of seeing this game over and over again. Its like groundhog day. I bought tix for $150/each, paid $8 for a beer , and so on to see a coach scared to lose.

Remind yourselves this is the Bills. We were at home. I'm not upset at the players as they were emotionally spent. I wanted us to win this game for them. I'm just sad that it didn't happen. As for the coaching staff...we've been seeing this for awhile now and it has to change. You can't win in the NFL. I think its time to move on.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We're going to have to agree to disagree, I guess. Maybe because I consider guys like Pollin, Czaban, Doc Walker local media even though they are national as well. And the fans? Hardly sympathetic.

I mean I keep hearing about how tough it's been all week for the players, for Williams. How they left it all on the field. But...well I've hardly heard anything about that for Gibbs, and I just don't believe for one minute anyone would have given him any credit for a win.

I agree that it was a boneheaded move on his part, but I hope that Redskins fans and the media aren't so narrow minded as to continue to blame everything single mistake on him. It may seem like I go overboard to defend Gibbs, but sometimes I have to just to balance out all the absolute hate there is towards him.

As a fan I want him back next year. But as a friend (of a friend of a friend of a friend, etc.) I think he deserves better than to be involved with this organization and its fans.

Smoot, sometimes I do think you go overboard in defending Gibbs. But you know what? I can't really blame you. Gibbs is such a great man who has bought so much joy to alot of us his first go around. He's a quality human being. I could never boo the man as some fans did yesterday. But as some have said it comes with the territory. He gets more credit for the first go around than I think he deserves. No one ever talks about Ritchie Pettibone, who was one of the best DC's of all time. If there was a HOF for assistants he would be a first ballot. People rarely mention Bobby B. And no one, I mean no one credits Charley C. for getting the players ( Tim Johnson, Matt Millen, Eric Williams, Fred Stokes, Jason Buck, Jumpy Geathers, I'm sure I'm mssing a few) on plan B in 89 & 90 to help the 91 team win the SB. It's all Gibbs. He got in the HOF because of the people that were around him, as well as him being a great heach coach. I'm not knocking him in anyway but that's the truth. The HC, like the QB gets too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing.

The 2nd TO yesterday was awful, but people are just plain old stupid if they think that cost us the game.

[MTK]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but what's up with the fact that Gibbs asked the ref if he could take back to back timeouts and the ref said yes??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by pg86

Ok but the penalty.
Whats the penalty for it on madden? Or in the rule book?

There is no penalty in Madden, it won't even allow you to call consecutive time outs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There is no penalty in Madden, it won't even allow you to call consecutive time outs.

It's a new rule. Only been in effect for two years. To be clear, it was always illegal but up until two years all that would happen is the referee would say is no...and then the kicking team would line up for the field goal/extra point. It only recently became "unsportsmanlike conduct" for trying to ice the kicker like that.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but what's up with the fact that Gibbs asked the ref if he could take back to back timeouts and the ref said yes??

It's not the referee's job to educate a head coach on the rules.. It's like asking 'can I hold the DE if I get beat?' Sure you can hold him if you want, but I'm gonna flag you for holding.

Guys, no matter how we want to spin it, that was an unexcusable error. You have to know the rules, flat out.

[SuperFan99]

Gibbs called both and, frankly, I think it's one of the stupidest coaching moves I've ever seen. No excuse. Everyone knows you can't call 2 timeouts in a row.

You learn that in grad school. And he's a HOF coach!

[TampaDude]

Originally Posted by Daseal

This just added fuel to the fire. If it were just this week, kinda understandable. But we're seeing a trend and not going after it.

Exactly...if this were the Skins' first loss in a while, we could chalk it up to the team being down because of the death of Sean Taylor, but this is the FOURTH WEEK IN A ROW that the Skins have done this crap!!! Their defense has been doing a good job for the most part, but their offense CAN'T score, CAN'T make first downs, and CAN'T avoid turnovers when the game is on the line. I understand the O-line has been banged up as of late, but the playcalling, especially in the 4th quarter, has been atrocious.

Folks, there is NFW the Redskins are making the playoffs this year. Even if they had held on to beat the Bills by two points...the BILLS...there is NFW they will beat the Bears, Giants, Vikings, and Cowboys if they continue to play as poorly as they have done this season. They only have two convincing wins...the MNF game against the Eagles and the blowout of the Lions after the bye week. The Dolphins and Jets, two of the worst teams in the league, took the Redskins to OT, and the Redskins only beat the Cardinals because of a last-second FG attempt by the Cards that sailed just barely wide left.

Sorry folks...I love the Redskins, and I always will...but they are at best a mediocre team right now. I'll be surprised if they actually win any more games this season...it's looking like 5-11 again this year, folks!

[SmootSmack]

So we're just going to completely absolve the defense for that 30 yard pass to Reed before the field goal attempt? There were like 6 Redskins around him and not a single one can make a play on the ball? And that's ok?

And by the way the Cardinals are 6-6 and just beat the potentially playoff bound Browns. And the Jets beat the playoff bound Steelers. Point is, I'm tired of having to apologize for our victories. We're 5-7. Yes that sucks, but don't just discredit their wins because they weren't "impressive" enough for you.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's not the referee's job to educate a head coach on the rules.. It's like asking 'can I hold the DE if I get beat?' Sure you can hold him if you want, but I'm gonna flag you for holding.

Guys, no matter how we want to spin it, that was an unexcusable error. You have to know the rules, flat out.

The ref shouldn't have responded then. Just seems odd that he would say yes, a little misleading if you ask me. Coaches ask refs for clarification of the rules all the time. Don't get me wrong Gibbs is still responsible, but it's still worth discussing why the ref told him yes.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but what's up with the fact that Gibbs asked the ref if he could take back to back timeouts and the ref said yes??

He should know the rule, period or his coaches should be in his ear. No excuse for that. I don't quite understand how we can side w/ JG's on this one, he blew it.

The ref may have answered the question, w/ yes you can call a timeout w/out adding the fact there is a penalty.

Their kicker probably would have made it anyhow.