Dockery Cut:

SBXVII · 02-26-2009, 06:01 PM

Ok, some one with cap knowledge please help.

People keep posting how we can get all the free agents ...Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery, Canty and keep Taylor and even look for others. How can we do it? and are they correct in what they say ie; the thread starter. Is it possible?

Secondly, why are so many people or few people ready to shift Samuels to RT? #1 can he do it and #2 would he even want to?

Thirdly,(LOL) Why would we expierment with putting DD at RT or LT? He was used as a Guard cause he was not Tackle material. They tried to make the move with Wade cause he was taller and bigger but he could not do the job.

I'm not knocking DD I'm glad to have him back even if he did false start more often then anyone else.

I stand corrected it was not the thread starter. I think it was in another thread about free agency and salary cap I think.

That Guy · 02-26-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, some one with cap knowledge please help.

People keep posting how we can get all the free agents ...Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery, Canty and keep Taylor and even look for others. How can we do it? and are they correct in what they say ie; the thread starter. Is it possible?

Secondly, why are so many people or few people ready to shift Samuels to RT? #1 can he do it and #2 would he even want to?

Thirdly,(LOL) Why would we expierment with putting DD at RT or LT? He was used as a Guard cause he was not Tackle material. They tried to make the move with Wade cause he was taller and bigger but he could not do the job.

I'm not knocking DD I'm glad to have him back even if he did false start more often then anyone else.

I stand corrected it was not the thread starter. I think it was in another thread about free agency and salary cap I think.

if you cut springs (for 6.5mill) and taylor (for 8.5mill) you have about 27mill of space to work with.

rookies and tender offers can cost us up to 4mill (1.5 for monty/golston i believe, and our kicker signed his 1mill deal already). rookies should be 3mill-3.5mill.

haynes i believe would cost 12mill for 2009 (other people have said 7mill, but i don't think that'd be a workable, league approved and compliant type of contract for a 6 year 100mill deal with 35mill in signing bonus).

so that leaves you with about 8mill (though there can be a few small restructures etc left for maybe 2mill more if needed).

that leaves 8-10 to work with...

canty is probably 6mill for a first year. dockery (hopefully) would only be 4... hall would probably be 5-6.

so it'd be cut springs/haynesworth, sign one other major FA and 1-2 minor ones.

2 big names, 1-2 very low level guys (kendall/depth LB/etc).

TheSmurfs22 · 02-26-2009, 07:14 PM

Get Dock back to DC!!!!

TheSmurfs22 · 02-26-2009, 07:17 PM

I heard that Jason Brown may be St. Louisy bound possibly or to another midwest team.
Wouldn't mind Haynesworth at all, but I always get worried when the Skins throw a shit ton of money at someone, they come here and never live up to their price tag.

That Guy · 02-26-2009, 08:49 PM

i'd like foxworth (CB), dockery (LG), cromwell (LB) and draft orakpo (DE)... if we get haynesworth (and let golston walk for a 2nd or high 3rd) and draft two OL with that 2nd(or 3rd) and our original 3rd.

reinhart isn't going to be starting in two years. not going to happen (buges et al have been extremely unimpressed with his progress so far).

I think 5mill average is way too high for a guy that's probably the 20th best starting LG. hopefully we can get him for a 3-4mill hit this year, that's much more reasonable... he's not a pro-bowl type player and never will be.

Nflnick11 · 02-26-2009, 08:53 PM

I think the pats will go after hall for a few reasons, because when Asante Samuel left, they figured they'd be fine, but besides ellis Hobbs, they never had a second corner, bring in deltha oneal and drafting terrence Wheatley in the second round, so belichiek knew he was Wrong about being fine with his regular corners, plus the pats have a good amount of money to spend. Also the one major red flag with hall is that he argues with coaches, but the same was said with moss, and that one didn't end up so bad after all

That Guy · 02-26-2009, 08:58 PM

as far as the line moves... we don't have a spare LT, so samuels isn't moving. dockery is NOT a tackle (he's straight run blocking anyways), so kicking him out there would be a bad idea.

EternalEnigma21 · 02-26-2009, 11:30 PM

I guess I'm the only one who didn't really care for him when he was here. It seemed like his head wasnt into the game as much as it needed to be. He made a lot of mistakes. I say go for youth and build for the future.

That Guy · 02-26-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

I guess I'm the only one who didn't really care for him when he was here. It seemed like his head wasnt into the game as much as it needed to be. He made a lot of mistakes. I say go for youth and build for the future.

he was the 26th best starting OG i think when he walked... he's decent, but he'll never be a stud.

still, our OL is TERRIBLE right now. if samuels heals up well we've got one spot locked up. thomas (hopefully) will be back to being good and rabach is okay, kendall is ancient and we don't have a RT at all. so if he's 3-4mill per, dock is a decent deal and a huge upgrade.

The Goat · 02-26-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

he was the 26th best starting OG i think when he walked... he's decent, but he'll never be a stud.

still, our OL is TERRIBLE right now. if samuels heals up well we've got one spot locked up. thomas (hopefully) will be back to being good and rabach is okay, kendall is ancient and we don't have a RT at all. so if he's 3-4mill per, dock is a decent deal and a huge upgrade.

Also i thought Dock improved markedly in '06, before he left us. Our rushing attack was stellar even after CP was hurt - Betts racked up more yards in the last 8 games than any RB save for LT - big Dock had a lot to do w/ that.

Ruhskins · 02-26-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

he was the 26th best starting OG i think when he walked... he's decent, but he'll never be a stud.

still, our OL is TERRIBLE right now. if samuels heals up well we've got one spot locked up. thomas (hopefully) will be back to being good and rabach is okay, kendall is ancient and we don't have a RT at all. so if he's 3-4mill per, dock is a decent deal and a huge upgrade.

Agreed, I don't think anyone expects him to come and be a beast of an o-lineman (it'd be nice if he did). I think Dock could replace Kendall or if the Redskins do get Jason Brown, could be a nice insurance in case Thomas gets hurt (dude had back surgery!).

GMScud · 02-26-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Agreed, I don't think anyone expects him to come and be a beast of an o-lineman (it'd be nice if he did). I think Dock could replace Kendall or if the Redskins do get Jason Brown, could be a nice insurance in case Thomas gets hurt (dude had back surgery!).

I don't know if we'll get Brown and Dock. Either way, Thomas or Kendall are going to be gone. We're definitely not considering either of those guys to be insurance policies for current players.

Ruhskins · 02-26-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't know if we'll get Brown and Dock. Either way, Thomas or Kendall are going to be gone. We're definitely not considering either of those guys to be insurance policies for current players.

Well I don't think Brown would be anyone's insurance, and come to think of it, you're right, we wouldn't get both Dock and Brown. I do want Brown though.

RedskinPete · 02-27-2009, 04:47 AM

Is Dock one of those pickups that looks good now but turns out bad? Why did the Bill give up on him? Is thier someone else better in the draft or FA? Were taking a big chance on Hall so I like the next few pick up to be more of a sure things!

That Guy · 02-27-2009, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Is Dock one of those pickups that looks good now but turns out bad? Why did the Bill give up on him? Is thier someone else better in the draft or FA? Were taking a big chance on Hall so I like the next few pick up to be more of a sure things!

they paid a 3mill/year OG 7mill/year. that's pretty much all there is to it. they expected a top tier OL addition by taking our (at the time) 4th best lineman and vastly overpaying him, and then magically were surprised when they found out he played there the same way he played here.

I guess the forgot that the rest of that line wasn't coming with him.

02-26-2009, 07:14 PM	#3
TheSmurfs22 The Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 1,261	Re: Dockery Cut: Get Dock back to DC!!!!

02-26-2009, 07:17 PM	#4
TheSmurfs22 The Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 1,261	Re: Dockery Cut: I heard that Jason Brown may be St. Louisy bound possibly or to another midwest team. Wouldn't mind Haynesworth at all, but I always get worried when the Skins throw a shit ton of money at someone, they come here and never live up to their price tag.

02-26-2009, 08:49 PM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Dockery Cut: i'd like foxworth (CB), dockery (LG), cromwell (LB) and draft orakpo (DE)... if we get haynesworth (and let golston walk for a 2nd or high 3rd) and draft two OL with that 2nd(or 3rd) and our original 3rd. reinhart isn't going to be starting in two years. not going to happen (buges et al have been extremely unimpressed with his progress so far). I think 5mill average is way too high for a guy that's probably the 20th best starting LG. hopefully we can get him for a 3-4mill hit this year, that's much more reasonable... he's not a pro-bowl type player and never will be.

02-26-2009, 08:53 PM	#6
Nflnick11 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 432	Re: Dockery Cut: I think the pats will go after hall for a few reasons, because when Asante Samuel left, they figured they'd be fine, but besides ellis Hobbs, they never had a second corner, bring in deltha oneal and drafting terrence Wheatley in the second round, so belichiek knew he was Wrong about being fine with his regular corners, plus the pats have a good amount of money to spend. Also the one major red flag with hall is that he argues with coaches, but the same was said with moss, and that one didn't end up so bad after all

02-26-2009, 08:58 PM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Dockery Cut: as far as the line moves... we don't have a spare LT, so samuels isn't moving. dockery is NOT a tackle (he's straight run blocking anyways), so kicking him out there would be a bad idea.

02-26-2009, 06:01 PM	#1
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Dockery Cut: Ok, some one with cap knowledge please help. People keep posting how we can get all the free agents ...Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery, Canty and keep Taylor and even look for others. How can we do it? and are they correct in what they say ie; the thread starter. Is it possible? Secondly, why are so many people or few people ready to shift Samuels to RT? #1 can he do it and #2 would he even want to? Thirdly,(LOL) Why would we expierment with putting DD at RT or LT? He was used as a Guard cause he was not Tackle material. They tried to make the move with Wade cause he was taller and bigger but he could not do the job. I'm not knocking DD I'm glad to have him back even if he did false start more often then anyone else. I stand corrected it was not the thread starter. I think it was in another thread about free agency and salary cap I think.

02-26-2009, 11:30 PM	#8
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 45 Posts: 2,958	Re: Dockery Cut: I guess I'm the only one who didn't really care for him when he was here. It seemed like his head wasnt into the game as much as it needed to be. He made a lot of mistakes. I say go for youth and build for the future. __________________ I am the brute squad.

02-27-2009, 04:47 AM	#14
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	Re: Dockery Cut: Is Dock one of those pickups that looks good now but turns out bad? Why did the Bill give up on him? Is thier someone else better in the draft or FA? Were taking a big chance on Hall so I like the next few pick up to be more of a sure things!

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