Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[PHazard]

I'm not sayin Colt would come in and be a star off the bat. EVERYONE has a rough start or a rough patch. But when u see the kid play, yu cant help but get behind him cuz he gets more and more AMPED UP after every completion. It wouldnt be all balloons and champagne when he starts out, but if yu check his bio, check his story, the kid is a FIGHTER! and he would always fight to be the best. He is overflowing with confidence and trusts his arm and all his throws. JC doesnt trust ANYTHING, his line his arm, if a receiver is open or if its an optical illusion and his eyes are decieving him. Yeah, Colt hasn't been in the conversation of starting QB wit the coaches yet. But this is the SAME coaching staff that got rid of Jansen cuz they said Heyer was better, that got rid of Jeremy Bridges who started at LT all year for the cardinals, that said Antwaan Randle El was our best return man. They clearly werent suited to make ANY decisions lol

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

PHazard nailed it. I have been trying to put into words what JC lacks and why he is not a long term solution. He lacks that contagious energy/fire you want to see from a leader/QB. I would have been happier this year with Colt in there becasue he has always looked like he will hang it on the line to win and I can't see us doing any worse with him in.(I know he was injured and couldn't play, just being hypothetical) JC has one speed, mediocre. Should we get rid of him? Not this year, fix the things that are really broken first. I will throw up on myself if we draft a QB at #4, I don't see franchise QB in any of the BIG names. I will be stoked though if we land Pike/Lefevour/Kafka in the 4th round or later. I am thinking like a coke fiend for the first 2 rounds, it's all about the LINE. And If we can trade back and get more picks two should be competing for the front five.

Sig worthy

[The Goat]

I also see that special something in Brennan's attitude and demeanor, call it a swagger. You can tell he wants to be GREAT. For these reasons alone he is worth the time and energy required bring him along.

...I think he becomes a starter in the league eventually.

[GusFrerotte]

Brennan is not starter material. He built up his rep in college, piling up huge stats on a pass happy team against inferior opponents(much like Tebow). The only real team he played at Hawaii was Georgia in the Sugar Bowl and he got destroyed. If Shanny does indeed bring in a vet to back up JC, Brennan is toast. Too many good QBs coming out in the next few seasons for Shanny not to take one. Remember, if we didn't gamble on Colt, he would have gone undrafted. For someone who set NCAA passing records, it is strange for nobody to take a chance on him til the 6th round, and of course in was our screwed up FO that did.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't know if Colt is good or not. Honestly I haven't seen enough of him. People argue he got all those records with a gimmic offense and an easy conference. I don't know. He might suck. If he does lets move on. I'm just ready for some new blood in that position. Colts been injured the whole time here, Collins is an aged vet that takes too many chances and usually throws an interception here and there, and Campbell has not shown to me that his potential is on the up swing. He seems like he's now just treading water. Stagnant. But if both Shanahan's see something they think they can work with after Gibbs, Saunders, and Zorn have all tried to further JC's developement then I'm fine with it. They are the proffessionals.

I like Colt, but he isn't our new QB. Daniel was more fluid, mor relaxed, and had better stats. Only thing that hurt Chase was his size. The main thing with these College QB superstars is that they are from teams highly stacked with talent and/or face inferior competition. Tebow had a Florida roster that could maybe beat the crappier NFL teams out there. Florida was head and shoulders better than most of their competition during Tebow's reign(especially in '09, a weak year for the SEC). Colt played on a rather talented Hawaii squad, with a pass happy offense and weak competition. Sort of hard for Colt not to set NCAA records with that scenario. We need a QB that made things happen with a team that maybe was average to above average talent and was exposed to some degree of parity or enhanced competition. THat is why I am guys like Lefevour, Pike, Stull, Kafka, even Canfield. These guys had good stats and faced decent competition just about every Sat as they aren't from NCAA powerhouses.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Brennan is not starter material. He built up his rep in college, piling up huge stats on a pass happy team against inferior opponents(much like Tebow). The only real team he played at Hawaii was Georgia in the Sugar Bowl and he got destroyed. If Shanny does indeed bring in a vet to back up JC, Brennan is toast. Too many good QBs coming out in the next few seasons for Shanny not to take one. Remember, if we didn't gamble on Colt, he would have gone undrafted. For someone who set NCAA passing records, it is strange for nobody to take a chance on him til the 6th round, and of course in was our screwed up FO that did.

yes the sec is a terrible conference just awful don't you agree gmscud

[GTripp0012]

Colt was a college stud who was very much worth the 6th rounder we spent on him to see if he could adjust to the pro game, but if you're being honest with yourself, you've likely seen enough to conclude that there's not all that much there.

A new system is a new hope for guys like Brennan, but he's just holding a roster spot until someone more intriguing comes along.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

yes the sec is a terrible conference just awful don't you agree gmscud

Yeah seriously. I mean, Florida and Alabama's defenses this past season could probably outperform the Rams and the Lions. To say Tebow piled up stats against "inferior" competition is just flat out wrong. I'm not saying he'll be a great pro, but that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

[PHazard]

Colt Brennan > Chase Daniel. Chase couldnt throw a spiral half the time and he kept bein put in to throw a 5 yard fade pass lol. And as far as him "piling up stats like tebow", they are COMPLETELY different QB's. Tebow is more likely to run if his 1st option isnt open, Brennan trusts his arm! We need a QB who whole heartedly BELIEVES he can do it. His college coach Jones interviewing him to go to Hawaii said "If u're afraid to be great dont come here, but if you arent scared, we can do this and make sumthing special." I think that alone made Brennan commit to Hawaii cuz there aint no way some1 is gon call him scared without him proving them WRONG! They went undefeated his last year. Then lost to Georgia in the bowl game. But like i said, his WHOLE team was outmatched. If they are puttin pressure on you with ONLY 3 men and can drop 8 in coverage, how can you succeed? That game displayed the Spread Offense's flaws. Not Brennan's. HE TAKES CONTROL OF THE HUDDLE! HE CONGRATULATES EVERYONE! God damn, he even learned SAMOAN to help the offensive lineman in Hawaii make line calls! I hear you on the inferior competition, but if u even watch highlight videos, its not like hes throwin to receivers that are blatantly wide open, or coverage was blown, he threads the needle ALOT and puts it where his guy can get it. He is dedicated to always improving. All those reasons are why I BELIEVE in him n think he deserves AT LEAST a shot. You guys bring up LeFevour (spread offense), Pike (spread offense), and Kafka (spread offense), So they are ALL in pass happy offenses and they didnt put up records like Brennan did. The records arent important to me or the NFL so ill leave that at that. But, my question is, WHY, with SOOOOOOOO many other needs, should we use a 4th round pick, on another SPREAD offense QB, when we havent tested the one ALREADY on our roster? Our OLine is garbage, we need MUCH more personnel to switch to a 3-4 (Bigger LB's, Big NT) a TRUE FS, prolly a CB if Rogers departs. If we bring in an undrafted QB after the draft and Shanahan says he beat out Brennan fair and square, so be it, but to waste a MID ROUND pick on another question mark just sounds Cerrato-ish to me

[r08kessl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah seriously. I mean, Florida and Alabama's defenses this past season could probably outperform the Rams and the Lions. To say Tebow piled up stats against "inferior" competition is just flat out wrong. I'm not saying he'll be a great pro, but that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

This is the SEC's M.O. They talk up their conference and use it as an excuse to avoid playing quality out of conference opponents. You look at schools from the Pac 10, Big XII, and Big 10 then you find yourself hard pressed to find teams that schedule a Charleston Southern.

Oregon for example played Boise State, Utah, and Purdue. Purdue played Northern Illinois, Toledo, Oregon, and Notre Dame. Oklahoma played Miami, Tulsa, Idaho State, and BYU. Now all of these teams aren't world beaters but at least they're FBS schools. And usually if they do schdule and FCS school it's usually very rarely more then one where I've frequently seen SEC school schdule as many as two FCS school and no quality opponents to compensate for the two throw away games.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by r08kessl

I'll never try to argue that the SEC is a bad conference because that's just a lie (even though after the first tier in any given year the competition drops off significantly), florida does play a terrible out of conference schedule, over the last two years (when tebow was a starter) they played:

Charleston Southern, Troy, FIU, Florida State (both years), Cincinnati, Hawaii, Miami Fl, the citadel, oklahoma

oklahoma and cincinnati only happened becasue of bowl games, and I would argue that if it wasn't tradition Florida wouldn't even play FSU.

Well, first of all, Tebow was a starter the past three years, not two.

Oklahoma, Cincy, Miami, Florida St three times, and Michigan (bowl game 2007) isn't exactly terrible. In those games UF went 6-1. Every big time program plays a few cupcakes along the way. It's just how it is. So a few times a year Tebow got to pile up some stats on bad teams. It's also worth noting that he often didn't play in the second half of some of those games. He also played 24 games in 3 years against SEC defenses and went 20-4 in those games.

And what does the tradition aspect of your FSU argument have to do with anything? That's Bowden-led program from a BCS conference and with Tebow as a starter we went 3-0 against them, outscoring them 127-37. Plus we beat Miami 30-6 in 2008. The reason we play them is irrelevant. The outcome however is not.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

This is the SEC's M.O. They talk up their conference and use it as an excuse to avoid playing quality out of conference opponents. You look at schools from the Pac 10, Big XII, and Big 10 then you find yourself hard pressed to find teams that schedule a Charleston Southern.

Oregon for example played Boise State, Utah, and Purdue. Purdue played Northern Illinois, Toledo, Oregon, and Notre Dame. Oklahoma played Miami, Tulsa, Idaho State, and BYU. Now all of these teams aren't world beaters but at least they're FBS schools. And usually if they do schdule and FCS school it's usually very rarely more then one where I've frequently seen SEC school schdule as many as two FCS school and no quality opponents to compensate for the two throw away games.

Really? "Hard pressed?" 5 minutes on Wiki actually made it quite easy to prove you wrong:

Ohio State played Toledo and New Mexico State this past season. Michigan played Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, and Delaware State. USC played San Jose State. Texas played UTEP and Louisiana-Monroe. Oklahoma played Idaho State and Tulsa. Penn State played Akron and Temple. Iowa played Northern Iowa and Arkansas State. Some of the schools you listed actually work against you. Idaho St? Northern Illinois? Toledo? Come on. Just because they are "FBS" schools doesn't make them any less of a cupcake.

The list goes on and on.

Like I said, every big time program schedules cupcakes. There's a reason the SEC has won 4 straight and 5 out of the last 6 national championships. They're the best. If I'm wrong, another conference can go ahead and step up and win one at some point.

[CultBrennan59]

Heres my last opinion on Bradford and Clausen which may persuade you all:

I think a great way to evaluate QB's is by seeing how good their receivers are. For example; A lot of people thought Matt Ryan would not be a good pick and isn't that good of a QB. I always thought he looked like a great NFL QB, people didn't really like him because he was slightly slow at times, and he threw lots and lots of picks. Then I saw an analyst say "We look at the receivers he had to throw to...NO ONE!"

Which brings me to my point. Think about it, Tom Brady had only David Terrell to throw to at Michigan, and Terrell was out of the NFL 4 years later and was a 6th round pick.

Peyton Manning had Peerless Price and that was it at tennessee

Drew Brees had No One to throw to at purdue

Rivers, Manning and Roethlisberger had no one to throw to aswell (except cotchery was there a little bit)

Aaron Rodgers had no one at Cal

Jay Cutler ....nope no one at all

Now, one of the exceptions to this rule is our own QB Jason Campbell. He had great running backs, but no WR's

So lets look at our 2 current QB's that are graded as first rounders

Jimmy Clausen has Golden Tate (projected first rounder), Michael Floyd (projected first rounder) and Rudolph the TE (projected 5-6th rounder).
He had great players to throw to.

Sam Bradford had Jauqin Igeliasis (3rd Rounder), Manuel Johnson (7th rounder), Brian Broyles (Jr. Will probably be a first rounder, definite second rounder) and Jerhmain Greisham (projected first rounder)

I think you got to go with Bradford because he was able to do the most with the poorer quality receivers. Watching a lot of Clausen highlights, there were a lot of times that he would under or over throw Tate, and Tate would somehow come up with the ball. Bradford, would put the ball where his receivers would be the only ones to get it. Other than greisham, bradford didn't have that many good receivers, and was able to get the ball to the receivers and not make them have to adjust for it nearly as much as Clausen.

Let's get Sam.

[bdubin]

Bradford is a bust!!!!!!