The line is quite offensive right now

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It would help if the offense had audibles to begin with. Can't fault JC for that.

Word. I didn't mean to put it on Jason. It's the scheme.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is a really, really good thread IMO...lots of quality discussion in the midst of a ruined franchise so props to everyone. I'm never again assuming lil D will learn a lesson and make solid decisions as the real GM, but if luck has it we somehow start down the right track this is what I think it should look like:

Build our offense through the draft next year. We likely will have the 4 or 5 overall pick as St. Louis, KC, Tampa, Detroit and ourselves suck the bottom of the NFL aquarium in '09. We should get the 2nd best overall LT there as a no-brainer pick. That high 2nd round pick is perfect for a starting center...Rabach must never play again after this season. The best RB available in the 3rd rd makes sense, but if there's another quality o-lineman available I would grab him and wait on the RB.

I'm assuming we bring in a legit WR coach to develop our investments at the position. The next big question mark is QB. I definitely think Jason is gone after this season. I would like to see us bring in the best veteran QB available to compete w/ Colt for the starting spot. I definitely wouldn't invest a high draft pick there...just doesn't make sense.

We don't have the 3rd pick cuz we used it up for Jarmon.. However, it's proving to be right choice so far..

Beside, pretty much I agree with you.. Although I would want retain Campbell and still sign someone else to push for #1 spot.. It's better to have more than two choices..

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

We don't have the 3rd pick cuz we used it up for Jarmon.. However, it's proving to be right choice so far..

Beside, pretty much I agree with you.. Although I would want retain Campbell and still sign someone else to push for #1 spot.. It's better to have more than two choices..

Yep I forgot about Jarmon...jeez hope he can replace Daniels next year.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Yep I forgot about Jarmon...jeez hope he can replace Daniels next year.

Hasn't he already done this? The guy is everywhere.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Pocket$ Straight:

If Williams and Jones are so competent, how come 32 NFL teams allowed them to languish in a state of idleness for several years? Are you telling me that no team in the league faced serious problems with the competency of its OL in the last three years? Or maybe the Skins' FO was the only organization smart enough to track down these lost souls?


These guys were unmitigated busts as high draft pick. Now MAYBE they have reformed some of their habits such that they MIGHT become serviceable NFL players. But to see these guys turning into foundation pieces for an NFL team probably requires a visit from the Skins' Fairy Godmother.

Let me summarize my previous posts.

1st pick next year - Premier tackle
2nd pick next year - Best available lineman T G or Center

Free agency - Best O-line available preferably a tackle and possibly even another starter C or guard

How was Levi Jones a bust? He started roughly 90 games and was on a few good teams. Plus he earned an extension. You cannot intelligently comment on Jones until he gets on the field. He can't be worse than Heyer who almost lost JC for a season his rookie year, was dogshit last year and continues to be dogshit.

Williams is in the bust category but I see him more as depth and possibly RG. He has been playing better recently btw. He looks a lot better than Heyer. Why did 32 teams pass on him? Because he was 450. No one expected him to get to his current state.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

If we spend a 1st on an OT, I would think he'd eventually be moved to LT, but yeah if Levi could hold that down in the meantime it would certainly make rebuilding easier.

I think 3 new starters is realistic, 1 in fa & 2 in the draft, assuming that high picks are used for o line. I just wonder if they won't use the 1st or 2nd on a rb. I would love to see CJ Spiller in b & g, but would hate to see him taken in the 1st.

Wow I was thinking same on CJ Spiller. Man maybe get him in the 3rd or 4th not sure he last that he would last that long. We have to draft O-Line because we can not run or pass protect with this group now.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

While some have paused to make mockery of Williams, when you look at what we have as far as OL is concerned, I'm rather glad he rounded into shape to be able to help us as much as he has. Without him we'd be in even worse shape.

Some thought he would not play at all this season.

I agree Mike Williams is getting his 1st taste of action in almost 2 1/2 yrs. He worked his butt off to lose the weight and now he is getting into game shape. He maybe just the guy we need for next season after this season. if he can stay healthy and keep the weight down he for sure is a insuance policy for the RG or RT position.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by skinster

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

Ok let me tell you this, if and when a team drafts a QB as a top 10 pick if he is a bust your franchise is set back for 3 to 4 years. Teams that spend high picks on QB tend to give them every chance to be the starter no matter how poor he plays IE.... JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Brady Quinn, and David Carr. I say we draft a QB late in the 4th or 5th and try to sign Jackson(Vikings,Carr/Giants) or resign JC or 1 yr with a upgraded line.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .

You weren't the only one saying that.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

we've only drafted qb 1st round 3 times since 1990 and JC was at the ass end of the round

I'm not saying that it's the answer though

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinster

I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.

We're not ONE o-lineman away

we're 2-3 from formidable, 4 from baller

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It all starts up front.

Simple as that, a new QB isn't going to solve anything until we can protect and open holes for the running game.

I agree. Eventually a WCO will open more to the pass, but our run isn't even respectable, that's why Rock got that 11 yard carry last night.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinster

Mike williams is not an effective gaurd. Levi Jones might be an adequate band aid to one position. Two good draft picks with one to two good free agents is too much to bank on. We can't naturally assume we will hit on our players that we choose. Too many "what ifs" and not enough time to develop chemistry. It seems to be a one in a hundred shot. Realistically we can get an adequate O-line next year if we disregard all other positions, but would be only semi-fixing one of many problems.

You sure do have a lot of insight on this team that the rest of us aren't privy to.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, I sort of understand what he's trying to do, but if the argument is that a coach is responsible for putting players in a position to succeed, it's hard to argue that he's doing a good job.

You have Heyer, a decent RT who the team is trying to turn into a LT with little success. You have Rinehart, who is riding the bench for no really good reason, while Montgomery plays (terribly). You have Dockery and Rabach, who are the status quo at LG, and C, the common links on a bad line. And how much of the blame for Mike Williams should sit with him. Mike's been decent given the expectations, but that's not helping us win ball games.

Bugel shouldn't be expected to fix all the problems that are ailing us, especially when the backs are missing so many blocks, but this line is no better than it was 4 weeks ago, and that's a problem.

Is it Bugel picking who starts where? It's hard to say where any of the decisions come from in this organization.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It would help if the offense had audibles to begin with. Can't fault JC for that.

Agreed big time. You could see the blitz coming and not even a change in protection.. where the hell does that start? Is Rabach still calling the protection?