To Read Option, or Not

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Since the Oilers never won a Super Bowl, Warren Moon was just a gimmick.

As was Dan Fouts and the Air Coryell offense. Also, Dan Marino and the Marks Brothers were a gimmick.

[Monkeydad]

Jamarcus Russell was a gimmick.

Heck, the Raiders are a gimmick.

[CrustyRedskin]

just throwing the Run and SHoot out there for yal to kick around! I do remember Detroit, Atlanta, and Houston all making the playoffs one year with it. May have been 91. I know Buddy Ryan lovved it. lol

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No comment

LOL. I can agree to disagree.

Context is also important here. You don't hear many positive comments about us (Shanny especially) outside Skins fandom, which for me is basically just this board. Last night is a good example. Watched the draft with a houseful of football buddies plus wives and girlfriends. Cowboys fans. Steelers. Saints. Seahawks. Broncos. The few times a convo turned toward the Skins there was a single theme: "What the eff are the Redskins/Shanahans thinking?" About the read-option. About keeping RG on the field after the Baltimore injury, and most especially in the playoff game. Literally, every person at the house, and every football fan I've ever chatted with outside this board, thought keeping RG in that game was/is the most appalling decision/behavior they've seen by a coach anywhere (pro, college, other sports).

I'd like to think my views are pretty reasonable, given I listen to a lot of different perspectives and avoid a "bubble" experience.

I guess my bottom line: if we continue to use RG as a running QB the likelihood he plays a long, healthy career isn't good.

[MTK]

^ Shanahan gets plenty of respect around the league, especially for what he did with RG3 last year, you know that rookie of the year thing and molding the offense to suit his skills, you just refuse to listen.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

^ Shanahan gets plenty of respect around the league, especially for what he did with RG3 last year, you know that rookie of the year thing and molding the offense to suit his skills, you just refuse to listen.

Wrong (as usual). I watched every game and know the stats as well as you or anyone else. I also try to step back and look at the bigger picture i.e. longevity over short-term, the preponderance of evidence about running QBs, etc etc.

It's one thing if you absolutely believe Shanny will win a Lombardi with RG before "running his wheels off" as you hear people say over and over again. Otherwise, the term pyrrhic victory comes to mind.

[Chico23231]

I think its very foolish to lump RG3 in with other "running" QBs. People have never seen this talent before and RG3 is a very intelligent guy.

I think your selling him real short. Not smart

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I guess my bottom line: if we continue to use RG as a running QB the likelihood he plays a long, healthy career isn't good.

If we refuse to utilize his skill-set to the fullest, the likelihood that the team is successful is limited.

He's not a running QB, Vick was a running QB. Unlike Vick, Griffin is also one of the most accurate passers in the NFL and can beat teams on the ground and in the air. He's not a running QB, he's a QB who can run. It's more than semantics. There's a huge difference.

If Conan did his "If they mated" bit with Chris Johnson and Peyton Manning, RGIII would be the answer. The way Robert led the offense to a winning TD all by himself in just his fourth game in the NFL after they turned off his headset...that's leadership and poise like Manning, but with world class speed.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Wrong (as usual).

If this were the Buccaneers board and you talked to the boss that way, you'd be outta here!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Wrong (as usual). I watched every game and know the stats as well as you or anyone else. I also try to step back and look at the bigger picture i.e. longevity over short-term, the preponderance of evidence about running QBs, etc etc.

It's one thing if you absolutely believe Shanny will win a Lombardi with RG before "running his wheels off" as you hear people say over and over again. Otherwise, the term pyrrhic victory comes to mind.

You sure do like going in circles. Wrong as usual, lol, this coming from the biggest clown on the board.

They cut way back on the designed runs as the season went on. RGIII needs to be smarter when he scrambles, that's what it boils down to.

He's far more than just a running QB. He's a hell of a passer and athlete. Ignoring the fact that he's a dangerous runner and not taking full advantage of his skills would be a total waste.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think its very foolish to lump RG3 in with other "running" QBs. People have never seen this talent before and RG3 is a very intelligent guy.

I think your selling him real short. Not smart

Well it fits his argument, as well as his football IQ. As usual of course.

[SmootSmack]

The Mule just doesn't shut up does he.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think its very foolish to lump RG3 in with other "running" QBs. People have never seen this talent before and RG3 is a very intelligent guy.

I think your selling him real short. Not smart

You can't be serious here. If anything RG has shown less "intelligence" about avoiding contact etc. Or do you assume that will improve dramatically and he'll slide early and often or head out of bounds?

[Monkeydad]

May I request an avatar change for The Goat?

He's disgracing the one he's using right now. I vote for a "custom" one. Put Summo on the job.

Originally Posted by The Goat

You can't be serious here. If anything RG has shown less "intelligence" about avoiding contact etc. Or do you assume that will improve dramatically and he'll slide early and often or head out of bounds?

Congratulations. You are the first person to ever call Robert Griffin III stupid.

His intelligence and maturity has impressed the hell out of the rest of the world, even Dallas fans don't talk bad about him.


I guess we should all just stop responding and stop feeding the goat.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

If we refuse to utilize his skill-set to the fullest, the likelihood that the team is successful is limited.

He's not a running QB, Vick was a running QB. Unlike Vick, Griffin is also one of the most accurate passers in the NFL and can beat teams on the ground and in the air. He's not a running QB, he's a QB who can run. It's more than semantics. There's a huge difference.

If Conan did his "If they mated" bit with Chris Johnson and Peyton Manning, RGIII would be the answer. The way Robert led the offense to a winning TD all by himself in just his fourth game in the NFL after they turned off his headset...that's leadership and poise like Manning, but with world class speed.

What's the difference? Fewer carries or yards? Nope. Fewer hits? Nope. Fewer injuries? Worse for RG so far (by a long way).

Again, I keep going back to the preponderance of evidence. Stats. And injury history that's already of huge concern unless you're a total homer.

To your earlier point, given RG's talent as a pure passer, why not build a formidable line to protect him (we don't have) while he picks the defense apart, give him a solid running game (we do have with the ZBS), and let the yards/TDs rack up? Keep him safe as possible but have all the success. Win-win, right?

Again, our offense with RG (thus far) only makes sense if you can't be successful in a traditional offense. Why take all the extra risk if you can get the same results otherwise?

Please don't mention injuries to Brady, Manning etc etc here. We've been down that road a hundred times...those guys we're winning for 10 years before severe injuries...RG didn't make it 10 months.