Happy New Year - Ring in the year with a wish and a warning

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

That's my biggest fear, that the new guys want to come in and make a show of it by trading up. This could be the RG3 scenario all over again.

not sure how many of you watch NBA but Harris and company started what was called the process in PHL

IT started with a trade of their best player at the time (Holiday); our biggest trade asset here is our draft picks

I wouldn't be shocked if he did something similar here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philad...rs#The_Process

Harris began contemplating investing in sports after meeting senior Blackstone executive David Blitzer in 2008 at The Punchbowl, a public house in London.[37][38] Those talks led to the pair forming an investment group that bought the Philadelphia 76ers of the National Basketball Association (NBA) from Comcast Spectacor for $280 million in 2011.[39] Other initial members of the group included Art Wrubel, Jason Levien, Adam Aron, Martin Geller, David Heller, James Lassiter, Marc Leder, Michael Rubin, Will Smith, Jada Pinkett Smith, and Erick Thohir.[40][41] Harris presided over an era in 76ers history known as "The Process", in which the team tanked for better NBA draft lottery odds.[42][43] Agreeing to a plan formed by general manager Sam Hinkie, the 76ers went 19–63 during the 2013–14 season, 18–64 in 2014–15, and 10–72 in 2015–16, the latter being the third-worst record in NBA history.[34] The Process was unpopular with NBA executives and team owners, who lobbied league commissioner Adam Silver to step in due to the 76ers' poor performance affecting league revenue sharing.[44][45] Harris would eventually agree to a suggestion by Silver to hire Jerry Colangelo, former owner of the Phoenix Suns, as team chairman in December 2015, which led to Hinkie stepping down in April 2016.[44][46] The Process led to the 76ers drafting future NBA MVP Joel Embiid, with the team having made five straight postseason appearances starting with the 2017–18 season.[34] The 76ers were valuated at $4.13 billion by Sportico in 2023.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by mredskins

not sure how many of you watch NBA but Harris and company started what was called the process in PHL

IT started with a trade of their best player at the time (Holiday); our biggest trade asset here is our draft picks

I wouldn't be shocked if he did something similar here

More likely that JA and TM get traded, certainly the former.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

More likely that JA and TM get traded, certainly the former.

current players are more valued in the nba then draft picks; its the reverse in the nfl

our top pick this year has more value then Allen or Terry


you prob get a 2nd for Allen and a 3rd for Terry; both had down years in their nfl careers this season

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by mredskins

not sure how many of you watch NBA but Harris and company started what was called the process in PHL

IT started with a trade of their best player at the time (Holiday); our biggest trade asset here is our draft picks

I wouldn't be shocked if he did something similar here

So you're suggesting they're more likely to trade our picks for draft capital than trading up to #1?

Not sure it would have to be a slash and burn approach though. Even if they don't draft a top QB, it wouldn't need a hoard of picks to rebuild most of this roster. With cap space and the picks we do have, we could rebuild the OL and LB cadre, get a good DE and improve the secondary, plus probably add a good (great?) WR. Right coaching and we'd be competitive next year. They want revenue and the best way to do that is give the fans hope, not effectively tell them "another 2 years folks).

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

So you're suggesting they're more likely to trade our picks for draft capital than trading up to #1?

Not sure it would have to be a slash and burn approach though. Even if they don't draft a top QB, it wouldn't need a hoard of picks to rebuild most of this roster. With cap space and the picks we do have, we could rebuild the OL and LB cadre, get a good DE and improve the secondary, plus probably add a good (great?) WR. Right coaching and we'd be competitive next year. They want revenue and the best way to do that is give the fans hope, not effectively tell them "another 2 years folks).

That was the whole thinking in Philly, it was almost a marketing campaign; kept telling the fan base to trust THE PROCESS; process became a noun, this unseen entity that the fan base had to be patient for; it hasn't paid off in championships but PHL has been pretty elite for awhile now

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That was the whole thinking in Philly, it was almost a marketing campaign; kept telling the fan base to trust THE PROCESS; process became a noun, this unseen entity that the fan base had to be patient for; it hasn't paid off in championships but PHL has been pretty elite for awhile now

Big Sixers fan here. The process has had a lot of ups and downs. There were definitely some piss poor draft choices and hires in that organization that stalled “the process”. Overall though, they have become perennial contenders so I trust Harris.

[Hoglips]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

So you're suggesting they're more likely to trade our picks for draft capital than trading up to #1?

Not sure it would have to be a slash and burn approach though. Even if they don't draft a top QB, it wouldn't need a hoard of picks to rebuild most of this roster. With cap space and the picks we do have, we could rebuild the OL and LB cadre, get a good DE and improve the secondary, plus probably add a good (great?) WR. Right coaching and we'd be competitive next year. They want revenue and the best way to do that is give the fans hope, not effectively tell them "another 2 years folks).

The so-called "Process" would stomp any remaining loyalty out of this fan base, I think. It would feel like an extension of the Snyder-era exhaustion.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Hoglips

The so-called "Process" would stomp any remaining loyalty out of this fan base, I think. It would feel like an extension of the Snyder-era exhaustion.

at this point who is still here is probably staying, the hope is to grow the base

I am not saying the PROCESS is great bad or whatever, i am just showing how harris has done it in the past and generally the past predicts the future

whether you want believe it or not we are in the process right now; if anyone thinks we are going be the ravens next year, be prepared to be disappointed

[MTK]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

That's my biggest fear, that the new guys want to come in and make a show of it by trading up. This could be the RG3 scenario all over again.

QB above all else.

If a new GM thinks a trade up to grab their guy is necessary then just do it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

QB above all else.

If a new GM thinks a trade up to grab their guy is necessary then just do it.

Fuck no. Did we not learn our lesson or learn one from the 49ers, the Browns, the Bears....etc...


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. If we trade up, this franchise is fucked. Period.


Also, just having a QB doesn't mean jack shit. Look at the Chiefs record right now and they got the best on the planet.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Fuck no. Did we not learn our lesson or learn one from the 49ers, the Browns, the Bears....etc...


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. If we trade up, this franchise is fucked. Period.


Also, just having a QB doesn't mean jack shit. Look at the Chiefs record right now and they got the best on the planet.

I generally agree, and if we have the 2nd, and Chicago tries to get some crazy compensation then don't do it. BUT, if they take their 2nd back and next year's first, and the FO is absolutely convinced of the best one, then they should take the shot.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Fuck no. Did we not learn our lesson or learn one from the 49ers, the Browns, the Bears....etc...


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. If we trade up, this franchise is fucked. Period.


Also, just having a QB doesn't mean jack shit. Look at the Chiefs record right now and they got the best on the planet.

How many SBs have they won with him so far?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

How many SBs have they won with him so far?

Exactly there will be down years but they are always in the mix


honestly he gets in the playoffs, don't count him out, the nfl is a one and done playoff system ; KC on any given Sunday could beat anyone

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Fuck no. Did we not learn our lesson or learn one from the 49ers, the Browns, the Bears....etc...


The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. If we trade up, this franchise is fucked. Period.


Also, just having a QB doesn't mean jack shit. Look at the Chiefs record right now and they got the best on the planet.

It's funny that you say that, because this team has continued to ignore the QB position in the draft over and over again.

Also, this is the first time, in the entirety of the Snyder era (except maybe the Gibbs 2.0 years) that we won't have Dan Snyder meddling with QB decisions.

If the GM really wants one of the top 2 QBs in the draft, they should do anything and everything to get it.

[Ruhskins]

My wish: a good GM and coach hire, and a good draft that gets us our franchise QB.

My warning: for people to realize that a lot of opinions they have are being influence by Ashburn syndrome.