Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

Not sure if I am misunderstanding you but TO never won a superbowl that I can think of. Did you mean he did so much to get them to a superbowl?

He said almost won them a SB.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He said almost won them a SB.

That's not how I read it.

"few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl"

Sounds like he was saying that TO almost won the game single handily like they won the SB.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That's not how I read it.

"few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl"

Sounds like he was saying that TO almost won the game single handily like they won the SB.

Maybe the part in parentheses is confusing you, here try this:

"few receivers I can think of that almost single handily won his team a Super Bowl"

Granted it's still poorly worded.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He said almost won them a SB.

On a broken leg!

That's when I began to respect him...even though I was rooting for his team to lose that game.

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;808940]He's the one of the few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl, and anyone knows that knows me knows thats about the highest compliment I can give a wideout.

Damn right he's a first ballot hall of famer.

Right now T.O is probably the second best receiver of all time. However I think if Fitz can get a QB one day he'll be passed by Larry. Andre Johnson will also probably surpass T.O one day. No one will ever pass Jerry.

Can anyone imagine how celebrated he would be if it wasn't for all the antics and me first attitude? He has an amazing work ethic and unlike many receivers he's willing to go over the middle, never got in trouble with the law either. Which all to often gets overshadowed by fights with teammates, feuds with QB's/coaches, and overall being a bad teammate.[/QUOTE

When did TO win a SB?

[GTripp0012]

Yep. I was never high on T.O.'s career because he's been in decline since that 2004 season, but he was a fringe hall of famer anyway based solely on what he did in San Francisco for 8 years. He was a pretty good player after age 30 as well.

[Hog Heaven]

I think T.O. will be a first ballot Hall of Famer for sure. He has the numbers, and he hasn't done anything really crazy for a while. We have pretty short-term memories as a country, so some of the off the field issues have faded to the background.

[Dirtbag59]

I might have spoke to soon on never being in trouble with the law albeit he's still never been in trouble criminally speaking.

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Seems like a tactic to force the mother to let him meet his kid.

[Hog1]

OH......the humanity of it all..........

[Dirtbag59]

While T.O had his share of quality QB's he still never had someone like Peyton throwing to him yet he was still able to put up more yards. I also want to avoid whoever has the higher number wins but the gap in TD catches is pretty far apart even taking into account the fact that T.O has two years on Marvin.

Plus T.O never shot a gun at another person

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

While T.O had his share of quality QB's he still never had someone like Peyton throwing to him yet he was still able to put up more yards. I also want to avoid whoever has the higher number wins but the gap in TD catches is pretty far apart even taking into account the fact that T.O has two years on Marvin.

Plus T.O never shot a gun at another person

But I bet some people would think harrison over TO. They get so caught up with the player based on what is defined as a good player for their team, rather than looking at them as a person outside the scope of football and stats. When these types of considerations are a part of the public's selection criteria, stats tend to get left on the back burner. Sure TO can be a punk at work but he hasn't been caught up in major criminal investigations. If we are going to start analyzing players beyond in the field numbers, and them as people, let's start with not being involved in shootings.

You could say a part of Monk's delay getting in also had to do with his personality or lack theirof. When it came to game and postgame, he wasn't compelling. Not what the public wanted from a player, so the stats got lost in he equation. Him and TO might have the same results getting into the HOF just due to being on the extremes of the expected personality spectrum.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

But I bet some people would think harrison over TO. They get so caught up with the player based on what is defined as a good player for their team, rather than looking at them as a person outside the scope of football and stats. When these types of considerations are a part of the public's selection criteria, stats tend to get left on the back burner. Sure TO can be a punk at work but he hasn't been caught up in major criminal investigations. If we are going to start analyzing players beyond in the field numbers, and them as people, let's start with not being involved in shootings.

You could say a part of Monk's delay getting in also had to do with his personality or lack theirof. When it came to game and postgame, he wasn't compelling. Not what the public wanted from a player, so the stats got lost in he equation. Him and TO might have the same results getting into the HOF just due to being on the extremes of the expected personality spectrum.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Personally I think TO is a first ballot HOF, but the HOF voters will make him wait a year.

[Longtimefan]

Yes!!

[SmootSmack]

Yeah, they say off-field stuff doesn't matter. And it seemingly doesn't when it's truly off-field. Hence why it didn't take any time to consider guys like Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin.

But, your locker room/post game personality I'm certain is a factor for many voters. Even if they deny it

[GTripp0012]

Harrison was better more recently. T.O. had the better career overall.