Reaction to Draft: exceeds, meets, or meh

[SirLK26]

My reaction? Somewhere between "meets" and "exceeds." Some of the picks were outstanding, some were meh, and one was a headscratcher.

Trent Murphy - Great pick.

Morgan Moses - Great Pick.

Spencer Long - Meh pick.

Bashaud Breeland - Great pick.

Ryan Grant - Meh pick.

Lache Seastrunk - Great pick.

Ted Bolser - Meh pick.

Zach Hocker - Terrible pick.

[tc2deuce]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

My reaction? Somewhere between "meets" and "exceeds." Some of the picks were outstanding, some were meh, and one was a headscratcher.

Trent Murphy - Great pick. Like it better after getting Moses a tad later

Morgan Moses - Great Pick.----agree

Spencer Long - Meh pick.-----I think it is a great pick but in the 5th or 6th

Bashaud Breeland - Great pick.------------Was hoping for Jaylen but Beeland is nice

Ryan Grant - Meh pick. ----Scouts really like this kid so....

Lache Seastrunk - Great pick.-------teach him how to catch and we got a sproles

Ted Bolser - Meh pick.--------agree

Zach Hocker - Terrible pick.

----------its the 7th round

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

----------its the 7th round

True. And while some 7th round picks are ballers, such as Richard Crawford, most don't contribute at all. Also, in Jay's post-draft presser, he basically said that the Redskins were planning to add a rookie kicker to compete with Forbath, so they just took the cream of the crop with their last draft pick to avoid getting into a bidding war later with another team. So I've definitely started to feel better about the move.

Still though, it's unlikely Hocker will be able to unseat Forbath. And even if he can, it'd suck to put Forbath out on the street after finally finding a reliable kicker. The better move would be to find a punter who can also do kickoffs, IMO.

[CRedskinsRule]

Most of the views I saw gave us a solid, but not stellar grades. Personally they hit good areas of need, and I an looking forward to see which players pan out. The only one I think we absolutely need to pan out is Moses, every other one gives us a guarantee of solid competition for roster spots.

[skinsfaninok]

always hard to tell with drafts.. I'd say on paper I'd give us a C-

[That Guy]

murphy and the OG were taken too early. i like murphy as a player though. moses was good value, and i like the CB/WR/RB picks and where we got them. I don't care about 7th rounders really. if they show up, great. if not, no big loss. the trade down was great though.

overall meh. solid, but not exciting or great. C/C- for reaching.

[JWsleep]

Having just read a recap of Gruden's post draft comments (which are nice and clear--more to the point than tight-lipped Shanny or the almost paranoid JGG), this helped to frame the late picks well, including the kicker:

"...obviously I’ve mentioned special teams on here a lot. We were the 32nd ranked team in every special team category and it was a major item for us in the draft ..."

I'd kinda blocked out just how horrendous specials were last year. Anywho, worth checking out:

Redskins draft: Jay Gruden on his team’s selections

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Having just read a recap of Gruden's post draft comments (which are nice and clear--more to the point than tight-lipped Shanny or the almost paranoid JGG), this helped to frame the late picks well, including the kicker:

"...obviously I’ve mentioned special teams on here a lot. We were the 32nd ranked team in every special team category and it was a major item for us in the draft ..."

I'd kinda blocked out just how horrendous specials were last year. Anywho, worth checking out:

Redskins draft: Jay Gruden on his team’s selections

not just 32nd, but historically bad. since they've tracked ST play (2000 i think?) only the 2002 oakland raiders were worse than us last year. it was mind blowing just how many points our team could lose due to special teams, especially with the new safety rules that made them even more pointless than before.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Having just read a recap of Gruden's post draft comments

Side note, not picking on you JW, but these last few days my easily confused brain, or is it confused easily brain......anyway every time I've seen the name Gruden in posts and articles and its taken like an extra 5 seconds and extra brain power, of which I have little to spare, to figure out which Gruden is being cited at any given time.

I propose that we come up with a shorthand way of distinguishing Jay Gruden and Jon Gruden (side side note Jon instead of John fuuuuuuu).

I move for J. Gruden. All in favor say I or is it aye?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

A little bit of everything. I've calmed down on the Murphy pick even if it was a round or two early, but we got the tackle that was desperately needed so that helped assuage my frustration of the pick. I'm still really disappointed in not drafting an ILB nor a pass receiving threat out of the back field. Maybe they see something in one of the 3 guys signed as a potential long term option or maybe even Keenan finally staying healthy and being who we had hopes for him to be. With us supposedly being enamored with getting Sproles or all the looks at pass catching rbs like Sims and Carey, that'd have been an awesome element to add another wrinkle to our offense. I actually like Seastrunk as a great change of pace back from Morris, but he doesn't have that threat for screens or pass blocking from what I've read.

But overall combined with the free agency pickups before hand, people coming back from injury, and the draft I'm liking the make up of this team a lot better than what we had last year. Hopefully we do well enough to pick around the 18-20 range and then next year could be the year to dream really big is what I'm hoping.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Side note, not picking on you JW, but these last few days my easily confused brain, or is it confused easily brain......anyway every time I've seen the name Gruden in posts and articles and its taken like an extra 5 seconds and extra brain power, of which I have little to spare, to figure out which Gruden is being cited at any given time.

I propose that we come up with a shorthand way of distinguishing Jay Gruden and Jon Gruden (side side note Jon instead of John fuuuuuuu).

I move for J. Gruden. All in favor say I or is it aye?

Nay. A simple Jay or Jon works for me.

[KI Skins Fan]

One of the key things we did in FA was to sign some stop-gap players who have been good NFL players but are now near the end of their careers. Having done that, we were in a position to select players in the draft who need some development but, in time, may very well outplay their draft positions. I have no problem with that approach.

Here are my thoughts on the players we drafted:

Trent Murphy - Very productive in college. Will get bigger and stronger. Known to be relentless and tough. I liked the pick as soon as we got Moses. Before that, I was a bit upset. But I think he'll help our pass rush in some packages this season. He has a chance to be a very good player.

Morgan Moses - He's the player I wanted at #34. He's huge, tough, and athletic. It may take a little time, but can you say bookend? I loved this pick!

Spencer Long - This guy was a 2nd Team All-American before he got hurt. He is a nasty finisher. They'll give him the time he needs to heal fully, learn, and develop. Then, he might just play RG for us for 8 years. I like this pick more than most, based on the fact that they don't expect him to start right away. But, honestly, I would have rather had the OG from Mississippi State in this spot.

Bashaud Breeland - He's a great tackler with length and cover skills, he's versatile enough to play CB or Safety and they think he'll be very good on ST's. What's not to like?

Ryan Grant - I like him because he runs good routes and catches everything. He may become our 4th receiver sooner rather than later.

Lache Seastrunk - He's a home run hitter, for sure. I'll like the pick a lot more if we find out that he can catch. Well, speed kills so we'll see. He's the kind of player I wanted to see in this draft class. This is a good pick for where he was drafted.

Ted Bolser - They say he's a good receiver who can also split wide. They like him as a special teamer. Gotta throw ST's a bone. Heaven knows we need help there. We'll see what he can do if he makes the team.

Zach Hocker - He is a good kicker with a big leg but we needed a punter more. The Bears screwed up my personal Master Plan by taking punter O'Donnell in the 6th round. Probably won't make the team.

Trading down late doesn't appeal to me. We haven't had any luck with that approach. It just gives us more draftees who can't play.

Bottom line, I can't really begin to judge this draft until the 2015 season but I'm hopeful that we picked some good players.

[Dirtbag59]

I'll give this a shot.

2 (47) Trent Murphy - OLB - Stanford - Grade B- - Really like the player, hate that we took him at this spot and at a position that actually has some depth. Might look a lot better next year if they can't resign Orakpo but still seems like a luxury pick. Hard to imagine him bulking up to much to play inside.

Apparently he came to the combine 10 pounds less then his listed playing weight so he might be a bit of a hard gainer.

3(66) Morgan Moses - OT - UVA - Grade A - Absolutely hate the game of chicken the front office played with the RT spot but it all worked out. Hopefully he can earn the starting job coming out of camp and will eventually become one of the leagues top bookend pairs along with Silverback.

3(78) Spencer Long - OG - Nebraska - Grade C - I would feel a lot better about this pick if he wasn't coming off season ending knee surgery. From the little I've seen he really looks like a solid player. Very nasty and hard working. Kind of wish they took him later but I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting in a couple years. I also wouldn't be surprised if they cut him in a couple years either.

4(102) Bashaud Breeland - CB - Clemson - Grade B+ - I usually loathe CB's but Breeland doesn't seem to fit the stereotypical 'I don't feel like tackling' archetype for CB's. Seems to be very good at bump and run and as long as he's not asked to play on an island he should do really well. Also seems like he was good value for where he was picked.

5(142) Ryan Grant - WR - Tulane - Grade B - WR is a little crowded and I usually cringe at the idea of taking a WR however according to his reports he is excellent ball skills and runs crisp routes. Only knock seems to be he lacks big play speed. Regardless always a place in the league for guys that can catch and run good routes.

6(186) Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor - Grade B - For some reason I keep on think his name is Leon Sandcastle. Anyway love the agility and change of direction ability. Not sure if he'll make the team but should at least make the preseason more bearable.

7(217) Ted Bolser - TE - Indiana - Grade C- - Seems decent enough. I guess he could surprise but I'm not sure if he'll stick around. Kind of wish we got Jake Pedersen {TE Wisc}

7(228) Zach Hocker - K - Arkansas - Grade F - I know its a 7th round pick but it kind of feels like a waste. Ironically I wouldn't be surprised if he caught on somewhere else but yeah, maybe they wanted competition for Kai in camp and thought they couldn't sign Hocker to a UDFA contract.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I'll give this a shot.

2 (47) Trent Murphy - OLB - Stanford - Grade B- - Really like the player, hate that we took him at this spot and at a position that actually has some depth. Might look a lot better next year if they can't resign Orakpo but still seems like a luxury pick. Hard to imagine him bulking up to much to play inside.

Apparently he came to the combine 10 pounds less then his listed playing weight so he might be a bit of a hard gainer.

3(66) Morgan Moses - OT - UVA - Grade A - Absolutely hate the game of chicken the front office played with the RT spot but it all worked out. Hopefully he can earn the starting job coming out of camp and will eventually become one of the leagues top bookend pairs along with Silverback.

3(78) Spencer Long - OG - Nebraska - Grade C - I would feel a lot better about this pick if he wasn't coming off season ending knee surgery. From the little I've seen he really looks like a solid player. Very nasty and hard working. Kind of wish they took him later but I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting in a couple years. I also wouldn't be surprised if they cut him in a couple years either.

4(102) Bashaud Breeland - CB - Clemson - Grade B+ - I usually loathe CB's but Breeland doesn't seem to fit the stereotypical 'I don't feel like tackling' archetype for CB's. Seems to be very good at bump and run and as long as he's not asked to play on an island he should do really well. Also seems like he was good value for where he was picked.

5(142) Ryan Grant - WR - Tulane - Grade B - WR is a little crowded and I usually cringe at the idea of taking a WR however according to his reports he is excellent ball skills and runs crisp routes. Only knock seems to be he lacks big play speed. Regardless always a place in the league for guys that can catch and run good routes.

6(186) Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor - Grade B - For some reason I keep on think his name is Leon Sandcastle. Anyway love the agility and change of direction ability. Not sure if he'll make the team but should at least make the preseason more bearable.

7(217) Ted Bolser - TE - Indiana - Grade C- - Seems decent enough. I guess he could surprise but I'm not sure if he'll stick around. Kind of wish we got Jake Pedersen {TE Wisc}

7(228) Zach Hocker - K - Arkansas - Grade F - I know its a 7th round pick but it kind of feels like a waste. Ironically I wouldn't be surprised if he caught on somewhere else but yeah, maybe they wanted competition for Kai in camp and thought they couldn't sign Hocker to a UDFA contract.

I hadn't posted my opinion because I wanted to wait for the best insight. Using the above, the gpa would be 2.5 and slightly above average. That might be about right, although I don't agree with a failing grade for the 7th round kicker.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I'll give this a shot.

2 (47) Trent Murphy - OLB - Stanford - Grade B- - Really like the player, hate that we took him at this spot and at a position that actually has some depth. Might look a lot better next year if they can't resign Orakpo but still seems like a luxury pick. Hard to imagine him bulking up to much to play inside.

Apparently he came to the combine 10 pounds less then his listed playing weight so he might be a bit of a hard gainer.

3(66) Morgan Moses - OT - UVA - Grade A - Absolutely hate the game of chicken the front office played with the RT spot but it all worked out. Hopefully he can earn the starting job coming out of camp and will eventually become one of the leagues top bookend pairs along with Silverback.

3(78) Spencer Long - OG - Nebraska - Grade C - I would feel a lot better about this pick if he wasn't coming off season ending knee surgery. From the little I've seen he really looks like a solid player. Very nasty and hard working. Kind of wish they took him later but I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting in a couple years. I also wouldn't be surprised if they cut him in a couple years either.

4(102) Bashaud Breeland - CB - Clemson - Grade B+ - I usually loathe CB's but Breeland doesn't seem to fit the stereotypical 'I don't feel like tackling' archetype for CB's. Seems to be very good at bump and run and as long as he's not asked to play on an island he should do really well. Also seems like he was good value for where he was picked.

5(142) Ryan Grant - WR - Tulane - Grade B - WR is a little crowded and I usually cringe at the idea of taking a WR however according to his reports he is excellent ball skills and runs crisp routes. Only knock seems to be he lacks big play speed. Regardless always a place in the league for guys that can catch and run good routes.

6(186) Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor - Grade B - For some reason I keep on think his name is Leon Sandcastle. Anyway love the agility and change of direction ability. Not sure if he'll make the team but should at least make the preseason more bearable.

7(217) Ted Bolser - TE - Indiana - Grade C- - Seems decent enough. I guess he could surprise but I'm not sure if he'll stick around. Kind of wish we got Jake Pedersen {TE Wisc}

7(228) Zach Hocker - K - Arkansas - Grade F - I know its a 7th round pick but it kind of feels like a waste. Ironically I wouldn't be surprised if he caught on somewhere else but yeah, maybe they wanted competition for Kai in camp and thought they couldn't sign Hocker to a UDFA contract.

This was a great draft imo.

No 1st rounder
5 players still in the NFL

I remember thinking we got a steal in Seastrunk. Didnt he have huge thighs? I dont even know if he ever took a regular season NFL snap.