Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO

[MTK]

Should be another interesting and controversial release from Moore:

With "Sicko" Filmmaker Seeks To Do To Health Care What He Did With Politics And Gun Violence

[dmek25]

boy, is he really going to step on some toes with this. i have read a while back, that because of his trip to Cuba, this administration was going to try and confiscate this film and keep in from being released. the other films he has i have really enjoyed

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Subject matter aside that guy makes me sick. He's a jerk.
My Humble opinion.

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peace

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

Subject matter aside that guy makes me sick. He's a jerk.
My Humble opinion.

What's worse though... him or the sad state of our nation's health care?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What's worse though... him or the sad state of our nation's health care?

What's "sad" about our health care system?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

What's "sad" about our health care system?

The fact that if you come to my hospital for an emergency appendectomy and you have a PPO or HMO with Aetna, we'll get paid about $3500 by your insurance company.

If you come in with Cigna, your insurer pays us $6000.

If you don't have insurance and you come in for the same emergency appendectomy, we'll charge you $150,000. You probably won't pay it, but we'll probably force you to give us at least $20,000 and call it a day.

All for the same procedure. So the worse your coverage is, the more your insurance company pays us. Then the crappy insurance companies have to pass the cost on to the people. In the end, only white collar employees with PPOs end up with affordable healthcare premiums.

I'm not kidding. It's common for hospitals to do; it seems unscrupulous but you can't even blame them because of the way the system is set up. If the hospitals don't get paid that well by just a few insurance companies, the cost of treating Medicaid patients would put us out of business.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The fact that if you come to my hospital for an emergency appendectomy and you have a PPO or HMO with Aetna, we'll get paid about $3500 by your insurance company.

If you don't have insurance and you come in for the same emergency appendectomy, we'll charge you $150,000.

I'm not kidding.

OK, I'm no expert in this field, so I'm genuinely confused by people who say that our health care system is broken.

In your example, is this a complaint by the hospitals and doctors that they should get $150,000 for such a procedure whether an individual is covered or not? Or do they honestly feel bad for the uninsured who have to come up with this cost?

Would the situation improve if the federal government allowed for individuals to deduct the cost of their health care coverage off their income taxes? Why don't we ever hear of an offer like this if the politicians are as concerned about the uninsured as they say they are?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

What's "sad" about our health care system?

Plenty, where should we start?

Let me answer with a question, what's good about our health care system?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Plenty, where should we start?

Let me answer with a question, what's good about our health care system?

The quality. Outcomes and survival rates are higher here than in any other developed nation. Infection rates in hospital facilities are the lowest here of anywhere in the world. While I'm deeply troubled by the cost physicians incur for malpractice coverage, at least there is a system in place to deter physicians from making mistakes. There are fewer physician errors here than in any other nation.

But from a cost standpoint, and a fairness standpoint as far as different people paying different prices for the same service? Yeah we got plenty of problems.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Plenty, where should we start?

Let me answer with a question, what's good about our health care system?

We have one of the worse and most larcenous health care systems in the industrialized world, all reflected by its incredibly shameful stats. I'm currently looking at a forty thousand buck operation that takes a couple of hours and a week or so in the hospital. Luckily, I have insurance that will reduce the robbery to only an outrage. Many people don't.

I've never liked a Michael Moore, but he's right a lot, espicially in this case. Wait till he does one on the Justice system.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What's worse though... him or the sad state of our nation's health care?

The worst part is he never fixes ANYTHING. Points fingers with lies many times and Cashes In on the Victims.
That is why he sucks.

The messenger perverts and weakens the message to make himself gain.
Jerk.

peace

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

The worst part is he never fixes ANYTHING. Points fingers with lies many times and Cashes In on the Victims.
That is why he sucks.

The messenger perverts and weakens the message to make himself gain.
Jerk.

peace

Who ever said it was his job to fix anything?

He's simply shining some light on things that are seriously F'd up, it's up to everyone to do something about it.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Who ever said it was his job to fix anything?

He's simply shining some light on things that are seriously F'd up, it's up to everyone to do something about it.

He's Cashing in on other people's pain for his own gain and not really shineing a light.

Did you not know HMOs were F'ing all of us?
Did you not know Big CEOs were F'ing their companies?
Did you not know crazy people can legaly get guns in America?

He shed no light he filmed and cashed in on people's pain.

peace

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

Subject matter aside that guy makes me sick. He's a jerk.
My Humble opinion.

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peace

why? he may go about his business alittle unusual, but i like how he mixes truths and half truths

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

Subject matter aside that guy makes me sick. He's a jerk.
My Humble opinion.

You may now continue OnTopic.

peace

couldnt agree more