Why Cartwright over ARE?

jsarno · 08-30-2007, 10:18 PM

We spent all this money on ARE to be a WR and a special teamer, and all we do is let him loose on punt returns, why not kick returns?

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 08-30-2007, 10:33 PM

he said himself that he doesnt like to do kick off returns. And gibbs prefers RBs over WRs on KO returns.

mooby · 08-30-2007, 10:36 PM

Why all the hate towards Rock as a kick returner? If anyone doesn't remember, he set a Redskins record for most kick return yards in a season. And he also returned a kick for a touchdown against Dallas. Antwaan is doing fine as a punt returner and Rock is doing fine as a kick returner. And his deal doesn't look that bad in comparison to some of the deals players got this offseason.

ArtMonkDrillz · 08-30-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Why all the hate towards Rock as a kick returner? If anyone doesn't remember, he set a Redskins record for most kick return yards in a season. And he also returned a kick for a touchdown against Dallas.

Couldn't that be attributed to the fact that the D also set team records for futility? I'd like to see his average compared to a guy like Brian Mitchell or Mike Nelms (who I had to look up, he averaged 29.7 yards per kick return in '81).

That Guy · 08-31-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Couldn't that be attributed to the fact that the D also set team records for futility? I'd like to see his average compared to a guy like Brian Mitchell or Mike Nelms (who I had to look up, he averaged 29.7 yards per kick return in '81).

cartwright had like 24.0 last year if i remember correctly. he's a good kick return guy.

jsarno · 08-30-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

Why all the hate towards Rock as a kick returner? If anyone doesn't remember, he set a Redskins record for most kick return yards in a season. And he also returned a kick for a touchdown against Dallas. Antwaan is doing fine as a punt returner and Rock is doing fine as a kick returner. And his deal doesn't look that bad in comparison to some of the deals players got this offseason.

It's not about yards, it's about yards per attempt.
Rock is not explosive, and I feel like we could have had the league leader if we had someone explosive back there. Rock is not even close to our fastest player...he's no burner, and he's not amazingly ellusive. We as skins fans overrate him as a KR because he's so small and he has heart.

MTK · 08-30-2007, 10:47 PM

It's simple, in Pittsburgh he was mainly a #3 WR, they could afford to turn him loose on kickoffs.

I'm not sure if many teams around the league put their #2 WRs in on kickoffs regularly.

jsarno · 08-30-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's simple, in Pittsburgh he was mainly a #3 WR, they could afford to turn him loose on kickoffs.

I'm not sure if many teams around the league put their #2 WRs in on kickoffs regularly.

Most don't, you're right...and ARE was a #3 all last year and it has yet to be seen what he will be this year.

MTK · 08-30-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Most don't, you're right...and ARE was a #3 all last year and it has yet to be seen what he will be this year.

Actually he finished the year at the #2

jsarno · 08-30-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Actually he finished the year at the #2

LOL...but you get the point, he was a #3 most of the year and still didn't do KR. I suspect he will be a #3 again this year too.
There is no way in hell he's worth his contract if he doesn't do kick returns.

Monkeydad · 08-31-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's simple, in Pittsburgh he was mainly a #3 WR, they could afford to turn him loose on kickoffs.

I'm not sure if many teams around the league put their #2 WRs in on kickoffs regularly.

The Steelers ironically are doing just that. Santonio Holmes.

RobH4413 · 08-31-2007, 05:32 PM

It has alot to do with coaching philosophy. I can see why Gibbs likes Rock....

1) He doesn't fumble kickoffs. (I can't find any stats, so correct me if I'm wrong)

2) He's consistent (I think he's right along the middle of the pack in return yard average)

3) He's expendable.

I'm sure Saunders doesn't want his gadget guy lost on a kickoff. ARE can do a lot of damage on offense with his versatility, and I'm sure he'll be used for PR.

Rock is a mediocre kick returner who's completely expendable. Why risk your #2 WR when you've got Rock... it just doesn't seem like it would make any sense.

To cap it off, Rock is a better kick returner anyways. (Keep in mind, punt returns and kick returns are two totally different things)

Antwaan Randel El - 22.3 yds / return
Rock Cartwright - 22.7 yds / return

Cowell · 09-01-2007, 10:54 AM

First off punt returning is a lot different than kick returning. In punting u generally end up being just 1 on 1 or 1 on 2. Lots of space to make a move, therefore you don't need to plow people over, which I can't imagine ARE being too good at. Kick returning is different, you build up a head of steam and just basically throw your body into the defender and hope he gets knocked over, that's why Cartright gets the honors.

mooby · 08-30-2007, 10:49 PM

The only point I'm trying to make is that Rock is not that bad of a kick returner. I think the point Jsarno was trying to make is that ARE has a big deal and he doesn't return kicks. I think the reason we gave him a big deal is because that was what the market dictated and we really wanted him. He's a good wide receiver for us, plus he is also good as a punt returner and on trick plays.

Beemnseven · 08-30-2007, 10:53 PM

If there's one thing I think we can count on this year, it's that Al Saunders will see to it that Randle El plays much more of a significant role with the offense than he did last season.

08-30-2007, 10:18 PM	#1
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08-30-2007, 10:47 PM	#7
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08-31-2007, 05:32 PM	#12
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 40 Posts: 2,638	Re: Why Cartwright over ARE? It has alot to do with coaching philosophy. I can see why Gibbs likes Rock.... 1) He doesn't fumble kickoffs. (I can't find any stats, so correct me if I'm wrong) 2) He's consistent (I think he's right along the middle of the pack in return yard average) 3) He's expendable. I'm sure Saunders doesn't want his gadget guy lost on a kickoff. ARE can do a lot of damage on offense with his versatility, and I'm sure he'll be used for PR. Rock is a mediocre kick returner who's completely expendable. Why risk your #2 WR when you've got Rock... it just doesn't seem like it would make any sense. To cap it off, Rock is a better kick returner anyways. (Keep in mind, punt returns and kick returns are two totally different things) Antwaan Randel El - 22.3 yds / return Rock Cartwright - 22.7 yds / return __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

09-01-2007, 10:54 AM	#13
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: Why Cartwright over ARE? First off punt returning is a lot different than kick returning. In punting u generally end up being just 1 on 1 or 1 on 2. Lots of space to make a move, therefore you don't need to plow people over, which I can't imagine ARE being too good at. Kick returning is different, you build up a head of steam and just basically throw your body into the defender and hope he gets knocked over, that's why Cartright gets the honors.

08-30-2007, 10:49 PM	#14
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Why Cartwright over ARE? The only point I'm trying to make is that Rock is not that bad of a kick returner. I think the point Jsarno was trying to make is that ARE has a big deal and he doesn't return kicks. I think the reason we gave him a big deal is because that was what the market dictated and we really wanted him. He's a good wide receiver for us, plus he is also good as a punt returner and on trick plays. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

08-30-2007, 10:33 PM	#2
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08-30-2007, 10:36 PM	#3
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Why Cartwright over ARE? Why all the hate towards Rock as a kick returner? If anyone doesn't remember, he set a Redskins record for most kick return yards in a season. And he also returned a kick for a touchdown against Dallas. Antwaan is doing fine as a punt returner and Rock is doing fine as a kick returner. And his deal doesn't look that bad in comparison to some of the deals players got this offseason. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

08-30-2007, 10:53 PM	#15
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 51 Posts: 5,311	Re: Why Cartwright over ARE? If there's one thing I think we can count on this year, it's that Al Saunders will see to it that Randle El plays much more of a significant role with the offense than he did last season.

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