Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys?

12thMan · 10-14-2007, 04:26 PM

Aside from the horrible lost today, you have to start to scratch your head over the conditioning of this team.

Week in and week out, it's the same injury. Either groins or hamstring pulls. Today it couldn't have been more evident. We lose two starting offensive lineman to groin pulls.

Marcus doesn't suit up today. ARE and Moss both aren't 100% either.

What's really going on?

skinsguy · 10-14-2007, 04:30 PM

I think you answered your own question.

mheisig · 10-14-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Aside from the horrible lost today, you have to start to scratch your head over the conditioning of this team.

Week in and week out, it's the same injury. Either groins or hamstring pulls. Today it couldn't have been more evident. We lose two starting offensive lineman to groin pulls.

Marcus doesn't suit up today. ARE and Moss both aren't 100% either.

What's really going on?

It's damn near impossible to determine why a team is injury-plagued. Is the training staff not doing their job? Is the training staff doing their job but the players are just being slack? Is it just a series of "bad luck"? The only person who can answer the first two questions are Redskins insiders - the staff or players. We're not going to see that ourselves, it's all taking place during the week in the gym and in practice.

Sometimes things just don't go your way no matter what you do.

mooby · 10-14-2007, 04:40 PM

Exactly, this question can't really be answered, unless a member of the coaching staff comes out and says it's either the fault of the strength and conditioning coaches, or unless they say it's just one of those things.

Either way, we are getting absolutely destroyed by these injuries. I've never seen this many hamstring/groin injuries in all my seasons as a fan.

kdogg3270 · 10-14-2007, 04:57 PM

i'll tell you why this is happening..guys getting too much rest in the preseason..you have to be ON THE FIELD in preseason to get into shape..coach holding guys back in order to 'start the season fresh' and now it is showing itself..

of course that's not always the case..stuff happens in football.

mlmpetert · 10-14-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kdogg3270

i'll tell you why this is happening..guys getting too much rest in the preseason..you have to be ON THE FIELD in preseason to get into shape..coach holding guys back in order to 'start the season fresh' and now it is showing itself..

of course that's not always the case..stuff happens in football.

Dont forget taking the whole bye week off!!

kdogg3270 · 10-14-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Dont forget taking the whole bye week off!!

yeah that too, lol..but we kicked detroit's ass so i did'nt bring that up..

SouperMeister · 10-14-2007, 08:56 PM

I don't blame conditioning at all for the muscle strains today. The O-linemen that were injured got caught in very awkward positions due to the slippery footing. In one regard, we should feel fortunate - at least Chris Samuels is healthy and playing at a very high level. I didn't hear KGB's name more than once or twice the entire game.

GusFrerotte · 10-14-2007, 09:02 PM

I was with my folks watching the Skins then the Cowboys game. Me and my dad talked about this very thing. I don't think these guys are doing anything in the offseason at all to stay in shape. You always hear about some linemen coming in really overweight during preseason, but the # of injuries in the league this season is amazing. Our depleted O line is going to be our downfall when all is said and done. These guys get paid gazillions to win, I think they should do all they can to stay in shape and stay healthy. A lot if not most college football teams always have their guys do weight training year round, doesn't the NFL? I know shit happens with bad twists ofthe knee, etc, but this season it is ridiculous.

RobH4413 · 10-14-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Aside from the horrible lost today, you have to start to scratch your head over the conditioning of this team.

Week in and week out, it's the same injury. Either groins or hamstring pulls. Today it couldn't have been more evident. We lose two starting offensive lineman to groin pulls.

Marcus doesn't suit up today. ARE and Moss both aren't 100% either.

What's really going on?

I'm pretty sure our strength and conditioning routines have been consistent. At least more consistent then our reasons for losing...

One year Joe Gibbs it too hard in Camp, now we're not hard enough? I really don't think conditioning is an issue here.

Moss has had a history of injuries, and I don't think anyone is surprised that he's hurt. ARE surprises me, but it's the NFL, and it's hard to stay healthy.

I really think this is just a case of the injury bug biting us hard. It was wet out there today, so that may also have played a roll in this explosion of injuries. No conspiracy theories on the strength and condition unless we've got some solid evidence... which I think we really don't have right now.

12thMan · 10-14-2007, 11:12 PM

I don't know....I'm looking at David Patten tonight. When the guy was here, it was a groin thing week after week. Same thing with kicker we cut...though he had quad problems too.

It just seems to be a pattern with a particular type of injury, that's all.

MTK · 10-15-2007, 06:56 AM

I'd call it shit luck.

firstdown · 10-15-2007, 01:12 PM

I'm not say conditioning is an issue but that could also explain our 2nd half melt downs.

squrrelco3 · 10-24-2007, 09:45 AM

Late comer here, I think a large part of the injury issues have to fall on the shoulders of John Hastings. The off season programs have always shown a huge turnout and participation (I think it was 98% again this year?) so you have to wonder if he is not working enough flexibility and agility drills into the workout program. Remember one of the things that allowed Ray Brown to play into his 40's and remain so strong and agile was his flexibility, I read somewhere he would work Pilates into his workout routines and it helped him avoid a lot of the pulled and torn muscle injuries that we are seeing now.

The fact is that there are so many different players (now we hear that Cartwright is dinged up with a quad injury) playing so many different positions, the only common thread is the type of injury and the guy responsible for making sure they don't occur.

SBXVII · 10-24-2007, 08:09 PM

I think alot of us keep wondering why this injury keeps turning up. I didn't notice it during the first half but as soon as we came out of the locker and returned a kick an injury. It got me thinking...how many of the other injuries came after half-time? and could this be associated with maybe not stretching during half time? If you remember pre-season with Baltimore(I think) when the rains hit and the teams had to stop and go into the locker rooms this was a major concern. The coaches were afraid the team would come back out and not get a chance to stretch and they would start seeing alot of injuries. If most of the injuries did come after half time then something needs to be done about stretching in the locker room or put in a bunch of cycling machings and have the team ride and listen.lol.

10-14-2007, 04:26 PM	#1
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? Aside from the horrible lost today, you have to start to scratch your head over the conditioning of this team. Week in and week out, it's the same injury. Either groins or hamstring pulls. Today it couldn't have been more evident. We lose two starting offensive lineman to groin pulls. Marcus doesn't suit up today. ARE and Moss both aren't 100% either. What's really going on?

10-14-2007, 04:30 PM	#2
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? I think you answered your own question. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-14-2007, 04:40 PM	#4
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? Exactly, this question can't really be answered, unless a member of the coaching staff comes out and says it's either the fault of the strength and conditioning coaches, or unless they say it's just one of those things. Either way, we are getting absolutely destroyed by these injuries. I've never seen this many hamstring/groin injuries in all my seasons as a fan. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

10-14-2007, 04:57 PM	#5
kdogg3270 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 146	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? i'll tell you why this is happening..guys getting too much rest in the preseason..you have to be ON THE FIELD in preseason to get into shape..coach holding guys back in order to 'start the season fresh' and now it is showing itself.. of course that's not always the case..stuff happens in football.

10-14-2007, 08:56 PM	#8
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? I don't blame conditioning at all for the muscle strains today. The O-linemen that were injured got caught in very awkward positions due to the slippery footing. In one regard, we should feel fortunate - at least Chris Samuels is healthy and playing at a very high level. I didn't hear KGB's name more than once or twice the entire game.

10-14-2007, 09:02 PM	#9
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? I was with my folks watching the Skins then the Cowboys game. Me and my dad talked about this very thing. I don't think these guys are doing anything in the offseason at all to stay in shape. You always hear about some linemen coming in really overweight during preseason, but the # of injuries in the league this season is amazing. Our depleted O line is going to be our downfall when all is said and done. These guys get paid gazillions to win, I think they should do all they can to stay in shape and stay healthy. A lot if not most college football teams always have their guys do weight training year round, doesn't the NFL? I know shit happens with bad twists ofthe knee, etc, but this season it is ridiculous.

10-14-2007, 11:12 PM	#11
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? I don't know....I'm looking at David Patten tonight. When the guy was here, it was a groin thing week after week. Same thing with kicker we cut...though he had quad problems too. It just seems to be a pattern with a particular type of injury, that's all.

10-15-2007, 06:56 AM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? I'd call it shit luck. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-15-2007, 01:12 PM	#13
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? I'm not say conditioning is an issue but that could also explain our 2nd half melt downs.

10-24-2007, 09:45 AM	#14
squrrelco3 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Norfolk Age: 50 Posts: 429	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? Late comer here, I think a large part of the injury issues have to fall on the shoulders of John Hastings. The off season programs have always shown a huge turnout and participation (I think it was 98% again this year?) so you have to wonder if he is not working enough flexibility and agility drills into the workout program. Remember one of the things that allowed Ray Brown to play into his 40's and remain so strong and agile was his flexibility, I read somewhere he would work Pilates into his workout routines and it helped him avoid a lot of the pulled and torn muscle injuries that we are seeing now. The fact is that there are so many different players (now we hear that Cartwright is dinged up with a quad injury) playing so many different positions, the only common thread is the type of injury and the guy responsible for making sure they don't occur. __________________ I got nothin'

10-24-2007, 08:09 PM	#15
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Strength and Conditioning: Groins and Hammys? I think alot of us keep wondering why this injury keeps turning up. I didn't notice it during the first half but as soon as we came out of the locker and returned a kick an injury. It got me thinking...how many of the other injuries came after half-time? and could this be associated with maybe not stretching during half time? If you remember pre-season with Baltimore(I think) when the rains hit and the teams had to stop and go into the locker rooms this was a major concern. The coaches were afraid the team would come back out and not get a chance to stretch and they would start seeing alot of injuries. If most of the injuries did come after half time then something needs to be done about stretching in the locker room or put in a bunch of cycling machings and have the team ride and listen.lol.

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