a view from the game...

[dmek25]

sometimes the perspective is different, viewing the game on T.V. compared to being there. here are some of the views from watching it live
Fred Smoot cant cover anyone. to our coaching staffs credit, after Toomer's touchdown, he rarely stepped on the field.
our offensive line is just that, offensive. cant block anyone. i pity Chris Samuels. he did a pretty good job
the play calling is all over. never really got into any kind of rhythm
Jason Taylor is worthless. coach Blatche moved him all over the field, trying to free him up. still, no impact
why the 45 yard field goal attempt at the end of the half? i watched Suisham warm up. at that end of the field, he was barely making 40 yarders. why not run one more play, trying to get a couple of more yards?
why all the fans in the parking lot. half of the stadium was empty for just about the entire game.
back to back screen plays, and then the big reverse. i don't think i saw another screen the rest of the game
Eli Manning( i hate to say it) is a ton better then i ever gave him credit for. he made play after play on 3rd down keeping drives alive.
and Jason Campbell. all i can say is... im not so sure. his decision making was really bad. time after time, the skins had 3rd and long. and he continued to make 2 and 3 yard passes.
and the pass that was over turned by replay. the ball hit the ground. now remember, im looking at a big screen that's of horrible visibility
the last thing. D'angelo Hall played a pretty solid game. should be starting. it seemed like Shawn Springs played alot of safety yesterday

[Redskin Warrior]

JC can only throw to where his receivers are or where they are open. If no one is open beyond the first down marker hit the check down receiver hope they can get a few yards that's what I saw. Giants defense is just down right scary they were beatings our o-line with rushing 4 lineman. Allowing everyone else to blanket the receivers for a incomplete pass, pick or sack. I don't see it being JC fault at all.

[over the mountain]

yeah i agree with the smoot comment, as much as we love the guy when hes in there teams target him with success. that being said we all knew smoot coming back was best suited for nickel back not a cover 1-on-1 corner.

about D hall, i really only see him as a step better than smoot but (call me crazy and you will) i think he plays off receivers trying to tempt qbs to throw his way which leads to some ints as well as completions. like he said in oakland, he was trying to jump routes too much (thats an "all about me" not a team thing).

i just really dont like d hall's mindset. that personal foul he got when he was beat then couldnt arm tackle the guy was zero class. it wasnt a hustle didnt hear the whistle play, it was a he got beat and made to look stupid so he dives after the play to get a piece of the guy play = not the redskins way of doing things and I was surprised he wasnt benched for the rest of the series.

the more i write this and think about it I really hope we dont rely on d hall as springs replacement. springs may not be the most loyal player but he is 100% professional compared to hall.

[SBXVII]

I'll agree with the Smoot comment. I'll even partially agree with the Hall comment...

about D hall, i really only see him as a step better than smoot but (call me crazy and you will) i think he plays off receivers trying to tempt qbs to throw his way which leads to some ints as well as completions. like he said in oakland, he was trying to jump routes too much (thats an "all about me" not a team thing).


but atleast if he is going to sit off the WR and bait the QB he's trying for the interception. Hopefully they have someone over top to assist if he misses and the WR gets the ball. As for Smoot he used to be that way now he gives the cushion and waits for the WR to catch the ball and then tries to throw his body at the guy ...not trying to wrap up. How many times has he missed a tackle cause the RB side stepped the lunge or leaped over him?

[over the mountain]

yeah i know we are int depraved unit and halls way of playing does lead to some ints but i just find it hard to rely on a guy with his mindstate as our no 2 corner. honestly im more upset with him for the personal foul and how he shook his had when springs came over to interfere with that possible interception he had.

that just tells me he is a "me" guy and those guys (see lavar) dont do well with our style of playing accountable defense. sometimes you have to sacrifice your body to eat up a blocker to allow your teammate behind you to get the sack or tackle. sometimes you just have to make the solid tackle and keep them from picking up the first down vs jumping the route and hoping for an int . . .

i dont know but i do know that any opinion about team chemistry and not stat based gets bashed with the usual: "are you in the locker room", "are you greg blache", "lets not become a psychiatrist here" or "he has 2 ints what are you talking about?"

theres more to the patriots then stats, theres a reason moss checked his attitude at the door and revamped his career, theres a reason belicheck doesnt mind bringing on proven but aged vets . . they are focused on winning, not jumping routes to pad their int stats.

as a whole we have a good solid core of players, for that im thankful b/c im able to say things like hall's personal foul was not the redskins way of doing things.

[Mr.Redskin]

Originally Posted by dmek25

sometimes the perspective is different, viewing the game on T.V. compared to being there. here are some of the views from watching it live
Fred Smoot cant cover anyone. to our coaching staffs credit, after Toomer's touchdown, he rarely stepped on the field.
our offensive line is just that, offensive. cant block anyone. i pity Chris Samuels. he did a pretty good job
the play calling is all over. never really got into any kind of rhythm
Jason Taylor is worthless. coach Blatche moved him all over the field, trying to free him up. still, no impact
why the 45 yard field goal attempt at the end of the half? i watched Suisham warm up. at that end of the field, he was barely making 40 yarders. why not run one more play, trying to get a couple of more yards?
why all the fans in the parking lot. half of the stadium was empty for just about the entire game.
back to back screen plays, and then the big reverse. i don't think i saw another screen the rest of the game
Eli Manning( i hate to say it) is a ton better then i ever gave him credit for. he made play after play on 3rd down keeping drives alive.
and Jason Campbell. all i can say is... im not so sure. his decision making was really bad. time after time, the skins had 3rd and long. and he continued to make 2 and 3 yard passes.
and the pass that was over turned by replay. the ball hit the ground. now remember, im looking at a big screen that's of horrible visibility
the last thing. D'angelo Hall played a pretty solid game. should be starting. it seemed like Shawn Springs played alot of safety yesterday

Sadly, everything you mentioned is conveyed via TV except the possible terrible coverage of Smoot is our only saving grace b/c he leaves the screen 1 second after the snap.
Watching at home everyone saw the
-2yd passes, paying tribute to Brunell era
-Eli must have been tutored the past 2 years from Peyton but he is executing with a brain now.
-JCampbell is relapsing into the a nightmare
-SSuisham needs to be indoors to get a decent KO or make a FG.
-And worst of all Jason Taylor is void. I think he is getting paid like $8 million or so. And wedid it at the additional cost of a 2nd rounder.

The ownership has to set aside 1-2 years and accept reality.Its okay to average its okay to admit work needs to be done. During that time we sensibly find ourselves and accept it. Address what needs to be addressed. We should agree on a scheme for the team and let that be the blueprint for the future. Draft and build within b/c there is such a thing as players past their heyday and they know it themselves but they quietly collect the check. Patience will pay off more than panic and sign JTaylor. I dunno maybe if he teaches our cheerleaders to Salsa or something but that money could very well have gone to feeding the homeless and the tax writeoff would net more in return.


To be a Skins fan is to be disappointed and to hear the snickering from peers in our community.

[sportscurmudgeon]

dmek:

Smoot got beaten badly by Amani Toomer. But Toomer's a pro who has beaten lots of CBs. He gets paid too.

Not so sure Chris Samuels did such a great job Sunday. Every time the Skins ran left, they gained - - pretty much nothing. If this is the guy leading in Pro Bowl votes, that means he is the best LT in the NFC. Hardly...

Taylor is in his mid-30s and is still coming off surgery. He is not nearly the force he has been in the past - - but given circumstances that's not surprising. He's a big-ticket cap item for next year so he may need to play really well in December to keep a job here.

I have no idea why they tried a long field goal to end the first half. If they were willing to try a play with 13 seconds to go and no timeouts they would be willing to try one with 9 seconds to go. Someone will have to read Coach Zorn's mind for the answer to that one... :confused:

Skins did try another screen play in second half and Webster almost intercepted it. Giants were waiting on the play as if they were in the huddle with the Skins. BTW, maybe they should play Thomas at running back since he ran that reverse so well. He hasn't been much of a WR so maybe he really needs to be RB?

More than one scout said while Eli Manning was in college that he had more talent than Peyton did. Don't know if I agree with that, but Eli Manning is a damned fine QB. Jason Campbell is improving. I don't know if he will ever be as good as "one of the Mannings", but he too is an NFL-caliber QB.

Would not surprise me at all to see Springs play a lot of safety for this team. :thumb:

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

yeah i know we are int depraved unit and halls way of playing does lead to some ints but i just find it hard to rely on a guy with his mindstate as our no 2 corner. honestly im more upset with him for the personal foul and how he shook his had when springs came over to interfere with that possible interception he had.

that just tells me he is a "me" guy and those guys (see lavar) dont do well with our style of playing accountable defense. sometimes you have to sacrifice your body to eat up a blocker to allow your teammate behind you to get the sack or tackle. sometimes you just have to make the solid tackle and keep them from picking up the first down vs jumping the route and hoping for an int . . .

i dont know but i do know that any opinion about team chemistry and not stat based gets bashed with the usual: "are you in the locker room", "are you greg blache", "lets not become a psychiatrist here" or "he has 2 ints what are you talking about?"

theres more to the patriots then stats, theres a reason moss checked his attitude at the door and revamped his career, theres a reason belicheck doesnt mind bringing on proven but aged vets . . they are focused on winning, not jumping routes to pad their int stats.

as a whole we have a good solid core of players, for that im thankful b/c im able to say things like hall's personal foul was not the redskins way of doing things.

I think the flubbed INT was much more of a "me" play for Springs than it was D'Angelo Hall. Hall was standing there with his hands out ready for an INT so easy that even Carlos Rogers could hold on to it. He was right in Shawn Springs' line of sight, yet Springs launched himself in front of Hall to try to make an acrobatic catch, which didn't work.

The D had been getting gassed all day. All Hall did was shake his head. He didn't mouth off or stomp his feet. But sure, he was probably frustrated. There was no need for Springs to launch himself into that play. He knocked over Hall and cost the team an opportunity at a big turnover. I know it's a bang-bang situation, but if anyone is guilty of a "me" play on that one, it's Springs, not Hall.

[vallin21]

Exactly

[hooskins]

SC:
Samuels can do as much as anyone but if the Giants are to overload left, it is damn hard to run that way.

[Stacks42]

Can we please start Fred Davis? I was dying seeing Yoder catch those passes, Davis didnt even dress!

[sportscurmudgeon]

Stacks:

Zorn has said at least twice this year that Davis is not playing because Zorn is not confident that Davis can run the plays that are called in the huddle.

If - I said IF - that is even half-true here in the 12th week of the season following the Skins' longer than usual training camp/pre-season, then maybe the Skins need to put more emphasis on Wonderlic scores when they assemble their draft boards. Learning a play-book is not as hard as detecting the Higgs-boson or resolving the Middle East conflict.

And IF that is true, then there isn't all that much reason to expect to see Davis very much next year either. If he can't learn the playbook in 17 weeks, then what makes anyone think he can learn it in 17 months?

Shawn Springs said on Doc Walker's radio show that the Skinis' defense has great difficulty covering Davis in practice. Assuming that is only moderate hyperbole, it gives some credibility to the Zorn commentary.

And that poses a problem because there is no cure for "Dumb"...

[over the mountain]

GMscud - i totally agree that springs coming over was a "me" play on his part trying to do something, i just didnt like the way hall shook his head for what seemed like a long time afterwards, ok we get it springs, did a dummy and interfered with you making a play . . . no need to make sure everyone in teh stadium and watching on tv knew what your were thinking = springs my teammate screwed it up for me . . . im being picky and this incident was small fries compared to his intention and motivation on that late hit personal foul.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think the flubbed INT was much more of a "me" play for Springs than it was D'Angelo Hall. Hall was standing there with his hands out ready for an INT so easy that even Carlos Rogers could hold on to it. He was right in Shawn Springs' line of sight, yet Springs launched himself in front of Hall to try to make an acrobatic catch, which didn't work.

The D had been getting gassed all day. All Hall did was shake his head. He didn't mouth off or stomp his feet. But sure, he was probably frustrated. There was no need for Springs to launch himself into that play. He knocked over Hall and cost the team an opportunity at a big turnover. I know it's a bang-bang situation, but if anyone is guilty of a "me" play on that one, it's Springs, not Hall.

I was shaking my head in disbelief over that play by Springs. I couldn't blame Hall for being upset one bit.

[hooskins]

That was so stupid by Springs, I can't even begin to how much it frustrates me.