Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again

GridIron26 · 12-19-2008, 01:30 PM

Blache: Springs, Hall to Start

I'm not sure what word I can use to describe my feelings, but I guess I could say I'm somewhat intrigued by this move.. Rogers have been pro bowl year this year (IMO) - however he plays really good when he's playing man on man.. Not so well in cover.. But does this move would really help defense? Beside the intercept part..

53Fan · 12-19-2008, 01:46 PM

I'm not really sure what to make of this. Maybe they want to check Hall out before resigning him or maybe send Rogers a message about holding on to the ball. Possibly both.

SmootSmack · 12-19-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm not really sure what to make of this. Maybe they want to check Hall out before resigning him or maybe send Rogers a message about holding on to the ball. Possibly both.

I think it's the former

SC Skins Fan · 12-19-2008, 01:57 PM

Earlier in the year, whenever a team would throw on Rogers, I would turn to my wife and say "you can't throw on #22". I haven't watched him really closely in recent weeks, but my feeling is that his play has slipped. He certainly was beaten badly by Chris Henry last week. That was an ugly play. I haven't been particularly impressed with Hall (apart from his undeniable ball skills) but it seems Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray love the guy. The trend away from Rogers still does not make a lot of sense to me, unless the coaches have seen on the coaches tape what I have vaguely perceived by watching the games on TV; that Rogers play has declined. Now, if this is setting up a move where they give Hall big money instead of extending Rogers then that will be a huge mistake.

vallin21 · 12-19-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Earlier in the year, whenever a team would throw on Rogers, I would turn to my wife and say "you can't throw on #22". I haven't watched him really closely in recent weeks, but my feeling is that his play has slipped. He certainly was beaten badly by Chris Henry last week. That was an ugly play. I haven't been particularly impressed with Hall (apart from his undeniable ball skills) but it seems Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray love the guy. The trend away from Rogers still does not make a lot of sense to me, unless the coaches have seen on the coaches tape what I have vaguely perceived by watching the games on TV; that Rogers play has declined. Now, if this is setting up a move where they give Hall big money instead of extending Rogers then that will be a huge mistake.

What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy. I don't think they "love the guy" they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately.

PretzelBoy · 12-19-2008, 02:22 PM

I think the fact that Springs (not just Hall) starting over Rodgers shows that something must be going on behind the scenes with CR and the coaching staff. Springs has two games left as a Skin and Rodgers is locked up for a few more years if I am not mistaken. There is no reason to play Springs over Rodgers IMO unless Rodgers has a bad attitude or isn't giving 100% in practice.

To me, it looked like he basically gave up on the TD last week. Didn't he also kind of blame the coaches for the TD he gave up against the Ravens as well?

GMScud · 12-19-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vallin21

What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy.I don't think they "love the guy" they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately.

I think that's the case. I remember when Hall was signed there was plenty of talk about how the egos in the secondary would handle the addition of another pro-bowl caliber player. Maybe Rogers hasn't handled it well and it shows through his play. You'd hope it would work the other way around and we'd see him stepping up rather than falling off.

vallin21 · 12-19-2008, 02:35 PM

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I think that's the case. I remember when Hall was signed there was plenty of talk about how the egos in the secondary would handle the addition of another pro-bowl caliber player. Maybe Rogers hasn't handled it well and it shows through his play. You'd hope it would work the other way around and we'd see him stepping up rather than falling off.

Thats a good point. I agree Rogers must not be taking the Hall signing as a good thing (and his play is showing it). As of now he is losing out on a new contract with us to Hall.

53Fan · 12-20-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by vallin21

What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy. I don't think they "love the guy" they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately.

I think one of the things about Hall is, his reputation proceeded him and there is still some doubt. I was one of the guys who wasn't to sure about Hall because I've watched him since highschool. But to be completely honest, up to this point I've been impressed with both his behavior and ball skills. I think his coverage is a little suspect at times, but as you said, he hasn't been getting beat deep or given up TD's. I think we should resign him to a reasonable contract unless he shows a reason not to between now and the end of the season.

DarkKnight · 12-20-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vallin21

What has Hall done to make you not impressed? He is not getting beat deep (like he was in Oakland), or given up a touchdown since he's been with us. He is making plays and he knows has hands. Rogers has always been a guy that was solid but never a pro bowl guy. I don't think they "love the guy" they just have seen better play frrom Hall than they have of Rogers lately.

thank you

The Goat · 12-21-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Earlier in the year, whenever a team would throw on Rogers, I would turn to my wife and say "you can't throw on #22". I haven't watched him really closely in recent weeks, but my feeling is that his play has slipped. He certainly was beaten badly by Chris Henry last week. That was an ugly play. I haven't been particularly impressed with Hall (apart from his undeniable ball skills) but it seems Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray love the guy. The trend away from Rogers still does not make a lot of sense to me, unless the coaches have seen on the coaches tape what I have vaguely perceived by watching the games on TV; that Rogers play has declined. Now, if this is setting up a move where they give Hall big money instead of extending Rogers then that will be a huge mistake.

I think a much larger mistake would be paying Rogers big money, and if the FO knows that is the bottom-line scenario nothing is amiss here. Rogers is not a top CB. Many corners cover their receivers just as well, tackle just as well, but the difference is they also have human hands instead of horse hoofs. I've said before I think Rogers must be kind of a moron because after all these years he cannot get his hands around the ball (indicates extremely poor eye-hand coordination) and because he is good for one or two plays a game where he somehow watches neither the ball nor the QB

. We absolutely cannot pay Rogers big money... if the FO does it means bad things man. Bad things.

vallin21 · 12-19-2008, 01:48 PM

Honestly I'm not surprised. The coaches know that Synder will throw more money at Hall given his "big name" and playmaking ability. They are clearly sending the message to Rogers or whoever that Hall is the #1 CB not Rogers. Whether its unfair or not I personally think Hall has outplayed Rogers to start. It will be interesting if they re-sign both because I think this move tells me their #1 priority is to sign Hall this offseason.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-19-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vallin21

Honestly I'm not surprised. The coaches know that Synder will throw more money at Hall given his "big name" and playmaking ability. They are clearly sending the message to Rogers or whoever that Hall is the #1 CB not Rogers. Whether its unfair or not I personally think Hall has outplayed Rogers to start. It will be interesting if they re-sign both because I think this move tells me their #1 priority is to sign Hall this offseason.

I agree. Hall has been more of a playmaker in the month he's been here than Rogers has in 3 years. At this point, I agree resigning hall is the #1 priority in the offseason. There is no reason to resign Rogers any time soon. let him continue to play out his rookie contract. If he and Hall prove to be a good starting tandem next year, then we can think about extending him during the season. I beleive the rules regarding a potentially uncapped 2010 would result in Rogers not becoming a FA until 2011 anyways.

On a side note, Rogers has been struggling with some kind of illness that just wont go away - so i think that is closely related to his recent performance drop.

redsk1 · 12-19-2008, 01:52 PM

GB is putting who he thinks will do the best job on the field. He could give a crap about next year.

I like CR. He's had a very good year. He hasn't looked good recently though. He literally feel asleep last week on that TD throw. He wasn't even ready. I don't know what he was doing. That's enough to get you benched. He's done that before too. It's like he loses interest or something.

30gut · 12-19-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

Blache: Springs, Hall to Start

I'm not sure what word I can use to describe my feelings, but I guess I could say I'm somewhat intrigued by this move.. Rogers have been pro bowl year this year (IMO) - however he plays really good when he's playing man on man.. Not so well in cover.. But does this move would really help defense? Beside the intercept part..

I posted this in another thread but:

I think that Rogers recent struggles are part of the reason why Hall is getting the start.
Rogers play seemed to decline after that dropped pick against the Steelers. He later gave up an easy TD to Holmes using off coverage on the goaline

(I wonder if it was the defense design to be in off-coverage, but i don't understand why he would play off-coverage near the goaline).
Got toasted on a double move in the Ravens game when he was in 0 coverage and knew he wouldn't have safety help.
Then against the Bengals he was on the goaline in off coverage

and barely put up a fight and gae up a fade route TD.

12-19-2008, 01:57 PM	#4
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again Earlier in the year, whenever a team would throw on Rogers, I would turn to my wife and say "you can't throw on #22". I haven't watched him really closely in recent weeks, but my feeling is that his play has slipped. He certainly was beaten badly by Chris Henry last week. That was an ugly play. I haven't been particularly impressed with Hall (apart from his undeniable ball skills) but it seems Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray love the guy. The trend away from Rogers still does not make a lot of sense to me, unless the coaches have seen on the coaches tape what I have vaguely perceived by watching the games on TV; that Rogers play has declined. Now, if this is setting up a move where they give Hall big money instead of extending Rogers then that will be a huge mistake. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

12-19-2008, 02:22 PM	#6
PretzelBoy Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4	Re: Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again I think the fact that Springs (not just Hall) starting over Rodgers shows that something must be going on behind the scenes with CR and the coaching staff. Springs has two games left as a Skin and Rodgers is locked up for a few more years if I am not mistaken. There is no reason to play Springs over Rodgers IMO unless Rodgers has a bad attitude or isn't giving 100% in practice. To me, it looked like he basically gave up on the TD last week. Didn't he also kind of blame the coaches for the TD he gave up against the Ravens as well?

12-19-2008, 01:48 PM	#12
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,180	Re: Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again Honestly I'm not surprised. The coaches know that Synder will throw more money at Hall given his "big name" and playmaking ability. They are clearly sending the message to Rogers or whoever that Hall is the #1 CB not Rogers. Whether its unfair or not I personally think Hall has outplayed Rogers to start. It will be interesting if they re-sign both because I think this move tells me their #1 priority is to sign Hall this offseason.

12-19-2008, 01:52 PM	#14
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again GB is putting who he thinks will do the best job on the field. He could give a crap about next year. I like CR. He's had a very good year. He hasn't looked good recently though. He literally feel asleep last week on that TD throw. He wasn't even ready. I don't know what he was doing. That's enough to get you benched. He's done that before too. It's like he loses interest or something.

12-19-2008, 01:30 PM	#1
GridIron26 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Age: 37 Posts: 3,593	Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again Blache: Springs, Hall to Start I'm not sure what word I can use to describe my feelings, but I guess I could say I'm somewhat intrigued by this move.. Rogers have been pro bowl year this year (IMO) - however he plays really good when he's playing man on man.. Not so well in cover.. But does this move would really help defense? Beside the intercept part..

12-19-2008, 01:46 PM	#2
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Rogers benched in favor of Hall once again I'm not really sure what to make of this. Maybe they want to check Hall out before resigning him or maybe send Rogers a message about holding on to the ball. Possibly both. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

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