Redskins Quick Notes - Sporting News Top 100, ONLY 2 Redskins???

[PennSkinsFan]

http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/redskins-quick-notes---sporting-news-top-100-only-2-redskins.html

[GMScud]

A while back there was a top 100 list released and it was the same thing- only Portis and Albert on the list. Agreed that Cooley and Landry, and maybe London Fletcher should be on there.

[Paintrain]

We all should know by now that anything with Redskins associated with it comes with extra strength Snyder-stink in the national media. We could go 13-3, Campbell could win MVP, Zorn win coach of the year, Haynesworth be Defensive Player of the Year and be Super Bowl Champs and we'd be still be scorned by some 'experts'.

It's the 2000 Redskins factor that anyone/anything associated with the Redskins gets a national downgrade in the media's eyes. Sad, but true.

[mredskins]

Just out of curisoity but would do all the articles on DC Sports Report sit so low on the screen? Meaning you have to scroll down to read them, kind of annoying.

[SC Skins Fan]

Well, according to the website, the voters included: Dan Dierdorf, Mike Ditka, Art Donovan, Bob Griese, Dan Hampton, Ted Hendricks, Paul Horning, Sam Huff, Stan Jones, Leroy Kelly, Paul Krause, Jim Langer, Steve Largent, Larry Little, Mike McCormack, Randall McDaniel, Hugh McElhenny, Lenny Moore, Anthony Munoz, Alan Page, Mel Renfro, Gale Sayers, Lee Roy Selmon, Jackie Slater, Lynn Swann, Fran Tarkenton and Jack Youngblood. Great players, obviously, but not NFL talent evaluators. So you have guys on the list who are living entirely on reputation and past success (Walter Jones) while young dynamic players rank low on the list (Calvin Johnson). So don't take it so hard.

As to your incredulity at Cooley and Landry being left off the list, well even taking into account the fact that the voters were retired Hall of Famers, if you just look at who did make the list at those positions I think it is easy enough to see why those players were left out. The four tight ends were Gonzalez, Gates, Witten, and Dallas Clark (#100). You could perhaps argue that Cooley is a similar player to Clark, though the former plays in a much different offensive scheme, but it is not like Visante Shiancoe is on the list over Chris Cooley. And while Landry is an athletic player he has yet to prove that he is one of the best safeties in the game. He has shown flashes at times but certainly is not so clearly among the five best safeties in the game that he unquestionably belongs on the list.

Having said all of that, given the criteria for the list seems to be more past productivity rather than current value, the real snub is London Fletcher. But seriously, the breathless outrage is a bit overdone.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Well, according to the website, the voters included: Dan Dierdorf, Mike Ditka, Art Donovan, Bob Griese, Dan Hampton, Ted Hendricks, Paul Horning, Sam Huff, Stan Jones, Leroy Kelly, Paul Krause, Jim Langer, Steve Largent, Larry Little, Mike McCormack, Randall McDaniel, Hugh McElhenny, Lenny Moore, Anthony Munoz, Alan Page, Mel Renfro, Gale Sayers, Lee Roy Selmon, Jackie Slater, Lynn Swann, Fran Tarkenton and Jack Youngblood. Great players, obviously, but not NFL talent evaluators. So you have guys on the list who are living entirely on reputation and past success (Walter Jones) while young dynamic players rank low on the list (Calvin Johnson). So don't take it so hard.

As to your incredulity at Cooley and Landry being left off the list, well even taking into account the fact that the voters were retired Hall of Famers, if you just look at who did make the list at those positions I think it is easy enough to see why those players were left out. The four tight ends were Gonzalez, Gates, Witten, and Dallas Clark (#100). You could perhaps argue that Cooley is a similar player to Clark, though the former plays in a much different offensive scheme, but it is not like Visante Shiancoe is on the list over Chris Cooley. And while Landry is an athletic player he has yet to prove that he is one of the best safeties in the game. He has shown flashes at times but certainly is not so clearly among the five best safeties in the game that he unquestionably belongs on the list.

Having said all of that, given the criteria for the list seems to be more past productivity rather than current value, the real snub is London Fletcher. But seriously, the breathless outrage is a bit overdone.

Dude, you wrote the longest post. If you want to talk about breathless.

[SBXVII]

There is a proud tradition within the Skins organization. Besides picking up the big named has beens; Archelatta, Tayler, Lloyd, Patton, etc. we have the proud tradition of picking up the blue color player. This has been going on since the 1980's. Oh we have a few big names that should top the 100 list in any position but most were with the team in the 1970's or earlier.

Now not to start an arguement, I'll agree there are some that should be in due to their work ethic but usually that's not what make a name for them. Look at Irvin, T.O., McNabb, R.Moss, Riggins, these excentric individuals stand out and that's what people remember. Ocho Cinco with all his issues, Eli getting picked up by the Chargers and getting traded to the Giants, That's what people remember and if they are any good even somewhat, as in Irvin's case, they are elevated.

Hardly ever are the Art Monks, Darrel Greens, S.Moss, J.Jansen, or any of the others. Portis is excentric so he should have made it. Cooley's becoming excentric. S.Taylor should have made it.