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juggernaunt · 11-20-2004, 11:29 AM

lets play gm of the mighty skins, and were much smarter than vinny (no talent evaluation)cerrato.

the players i cut are as follows brunnell $7,167, morton $1,040, barrow $2,157 and wynn $4,083 yes thats $14.5 million of fat we need to cut. lets take the hit now, rather than later.

players i'm gonna trade for draft picks.

samuels lets try and get atleast 2 #1 if possible, the super chargers and dolphins come to mind.
rod gardner we can defintly get a 2nd and 4th for him.
we need to build from with in,
ladel betts i also think we can get a 2nd or multi #3's for him

now the draft

since were gonna draft in the top 5, i trade down to pick up some more picks,. not out of the top 10.
with our top pick its Mathias Kiwanuka DE, BC, (samuels picks), mike patterson DT, USC tw/ our last #1 its Marcus Spears DE, lsu
2nd picks from trades

ben wilkerson C, LSU or michael munoz OT, TEN
3rd rd
antwaun rogers CB,purdue he's tall 6'2 180 needs some muscle but we need a tall corner.

any other ideas,

SKINSnCANES · 11-20-2004, 12:44 PM

We cant cut brunell this year. He'll be our backup for years to come and will hopefully learn Gibbs system well enough that he can be a great backup. Hes cap hit would be to huge to cut him this year.

I dont think we should trade Samuels, who would we replace him with? We need our two anchor tackles, its hard to get a pair as good as we have. We need Ramsey to get his protection and Portis to get his holes.

That Guy · 11-20-2004, 01:40 PM

i don't think you'd get as many picks as you think you'd get (two #1s and 11mill$ salary for an Olineman who's only above average??)... and we can't trade betts, we don't have any other good RBs on the roster... and any reason why you'd want to take on such massive deadcap when a lot of it is easily avoided?

Drift Reality · 11-20-2004, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaunt

samuels lets try and get atleast 2 #1 if possible, the super chargers and dolphins come to mind.
rod gardner we can defintly get a 2nd and 4th for him.
we need to build from with in,
ladel betts i also think we can get a 2nd or multi #3's for him

I think you're overestimating these guys' trade value.

No one is going to trade a 2nd and a 4th for Gardner, nor is anyone going to trade a 2nd round pick for Betts.

Skins fan 44 · 11-20-2004, 03:56 PM

FIRST OFF NEED TO REWORK BRUNELL'S CONTRACT, CAUSE HE IS ROBBING US BLIND. Will that happen doubtful. He says he is not retiring next year but I cant blame him. Would you walk away from a multi million dollar job? With our high draft pick next year we probably should trade for more picks and also save money and take a mid to late first round pick preferably O-line or D-line. Hope we can find some hidden jewels in the later rounds. Dont draft a qb. We can sign one if need be in the summer off the waiver wire for min salary look at the ones that were available last summer.

dragontat7169 · 11-20-2004, 04:07 PM

get rid of Betts and Morton?...hmm..ok lets cut 2 of our 3 Kick returners and only be left with Thrash and if he gets hurt then we can use Brunell to run back kicks.

Did you actually think your cuts and trades through? I mean a 14 million hit next year would kill us. We have too many holes we would need to fill if we cut everyone in your list. Don't forget that trades also count against the Cap and Betts, Samuels, and Gardner would probably take us above 20 million (just guessing). That would mean we would have to renegotiate everyone elses contract because we could never afford to keep them. And we would lose all of our free agents that we have and probably lose Smoot, Pierce and a few others.

I guess your trades and cuts would be ok if we planned on going 0-16 to ensure that we get a first round pick in 2 years, but other than that...I don't see it as economically sound.

If I was the GM, I would wait until the end of the season..it is still too soon to look ahead for next year. We don't know what is going to happen. We can hope that Brunell retires..that would be the best thing that could happen. We need to see where we end up for the draft before we even begin to consider who we will get.

offiss · 11-20-2004, 04:07 PM

I would cut Brunell he's not even a viable backup I want to clear out his cap hit as soon as possible, I would compensate it with the trade of Samuels, and whatever I could get for Gardner, WR is not a position we are lacking, and get rid of Morton he's nothing special, my hope would be that either Wilson, or Molinaro would be ready to take over left tackle, but what I would really look into is Jansen's rehab and if he will be back 100%, if so I would look to slide him to the left tackle position which I believe he is more than capable of handling and move Wilson or Molinaro to the right tackle postion, this would offset the hit we would take for cutting Brunell, then we have some extra pick's to work with to fill the backup position at QB and seek line help on both sides of the ball, and add a legitimate kick returner, I much rather have Hasellbach backing up Ramsey than Brunell, Bett's isn't going to net that much in draft pick's or salary cap gain so he really doesn't factor, I would keep him he is a good backup to Portis,

Bottom line if I was the GM Brunell wouldn't be here to begin with.

celts32 · 11-20-2004, 05:48 PM

I don't even think Samuels would bring back a single #1 in trade. He is more valuable to the Redskins than anything he could bring back. Betts has no value at all. And Gardner would bring no more thana 3rd or 4th rounder. Most teams just don't trade high draft picks for players unless they are at the very top of their position. I don't know if anyone remembers but the Colts only got like a 3rd or 4th round pick for Marshal Faulk when they traded him to the Rams. Basically, unless you are talking about a franchise QB don't expect to see NFL teams tossing around high draft picks...

Shane · 11-21-2004, 10:11 AM

Brunell I think can be rehabilitated as a backup quarterback if we can protect him. We will ask him to renegotiate to take a salary commensurate with backup status and I think he will comply, respectful of what it means to the team.

Samuels I hope and believe will resign with a salary that we can handle.

We have so many receivers that need playing time that I am beginning to think Rod Gardner is someone I would trade.

monk81 · 11-21-2004, 04:27 PM

I keep hearing these rumors about Drew Brees and San Diego not affording BOTH Rivers and Brees and heard that the Redskins were one of the teams mentioned in the rumors......is this duable with our cap situation ?

That Guy · 11-21-2004, 11:48 PM

i don't think we'd want brees, he's had ONE decent season (after being in the same sstem for THREE years), and he's going to be overpriced... kitna would be a better option if he's available, but it'd be even better if ramsey proved to be good enough to win games.

sportscurmudgeon · 11-22-2004, 12:21 AM

That Guy:

Let me point out to you that Kitna has alo had only one good season. IN that respect he and Brees are pretty much the same and Brees is significantly younger.

Personally, I would not try to sigh either one, but that's just me...

Juggernaunt:

Assume I am an NFL GM in search of a LT. You offer me Samuels who brings with him an $11M salary next year and one year to go until he is a free agent. That is not very attractive to me. Then you ask me to give you 2 first round draft picks in exchange? At this point I am laughing so hard, I forget to hang up the phone...

If Gardner brings a single high 3rd round pick in a trade offer, you should jump at it and take it and give thanks to the Almighty for your good fortune...

Betts is a back-up RB; nothing he has shown on the field yet says he can be a feature back. Why give you 2 third round picks for this kind of guy. Wioth two 3rd round picks, I can probably draft a back-up RB and still have another pick left over...

SmootSmack · 11-22-2004, 12:21 AM

I don't know if Kitna would be such a good choice. He doesn't have the greatest arm and he'll be 33 when next season starts. Not old per se, but it seems like it could be a Brunell all over again

VTSkins897 · 11-22-2004, 12:37 AM

we wont ever be good unless we do somethin with the players we have... esp. QB. if we havent learned by now that the one-yr quick fix is bullshit then we never will go to the playoffs... ramsey has the talent and shud be our starter next yr. keep bruns on as backup... as far as the others i dont know exactly but we def wont get all those high draft pix

That Guy · 11-22-2004, 02:34 AM

the problem with buying yourself a QB is they take a while to adjust to a new system... I mentioned kitna only because he'd be a lot cheaper and he actually had a completely new system installed and was able to shine immediately... before then the bengals were always known for complete ineptitude... either way, i think it'd be best to let ramsey grow in one system with the same players instead of risking shell-shock on a vet again... (garcia is the only vet in a new place thats doing any good, but he's still a while away from really fitting in, adjusting himself to the new players, and having the gameplans adjusted to his strengths)

11-20-2004, 12:44 PM	#2
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	We cant cut brunell this year. He'll be our backup for years to come and will hopefully learn Gibbs system well enough that he can be a great backup. Hes cap hit would be to huge to cut him this year. I dont think we should trade Samuels, who would we replace him with? We need our two anchor tackles, its hard to get a pair as good as we have. We need Ramsey to get his protection and Portis to get his holes. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

11-20-2004, 03:56 PM	#5
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	FIRST OFF NEED TO REWORK BRUNELL'S CONTRACT, CAUSE HE IS ROBBING US BLIND. Will that happen doubtful. He says he is not retiring next year but I cant blame him. Would you walk away from a multi million dollar job? With our high draft pick next year we probably should trade for more picks and also save money and take a mid to late first round pick preferably O-line or D-line. Hope we can find some hidden jewels in the later rounds. Dont draft a qb. We can sign one if need be in the summer off the waiver wire for min salary look at the ones that were available last summer. __________________ HTTR!

11-22-2004, 12:21 AM	#12
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	That Guy: Let me point out to you that Kitna has alo had only one good season. IN that respect he and Brees are pretty much the same and Brees is significantly younger. Personally, I would not try to sigh either one, but that's just me... Juggernaunt: Assume I am an NFL GM in search of a LT. You offer me Samuels who brings with him an $11M salary next year and one year to go until he is a free agent. That is not very attractive to me. Then you ask me to give you 2 first round draft picks in exchange? At this point I am laughing so hard, I forget to hang up the phone... If Gardner brings a single high 3rd round pick in a trade offer, you should jump at it and take it and give thanks to the Almighty for your good fortune... Betts is a back-up RB; nothing he has shown on the field yet says he can be a feature back. Why give you 2 third round picks for this kind of guy. Wioth two 3rd round picks, I can probably draft a back-up RB and still have another pick left over... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

11-22-2004, 12:21 AM	#13
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I don't know if Kitna would be such a good choice. He doesn't have the greatest arm and he'll be 33 when next season starts. Not old per se, but it seems like it could be a Brunell all over again __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-20-2004, 11:29 AM	#1
juggernaunt Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 47	lets play GM lets play gm of the mighty skins, and were much smarter than vinny (no talent evaluation)cerrato. the players i cut are as follows brunnell $7,167, morton $1,040, barrow $2,157 and wynn $4,083 yes thats $14.5 million of fat we need to cut. lets take the hit now, rather than later. players i'm gonna trade for draft picks. samuels lets try and get atleast 2 #1 if possible, the super chargers and dolphins come to mind. rod gardner we can defintly get a 2nd and 4th for him. we need to build from with in, ladel betts i also think we can get a 2nd or multi #3's for him now the draft since were gonna draft in the top 5, i trade down to pick up some more picks,. not out of the top 10. with our top pick its Mathias Kiwanuka DE, BC, (samuels picks), mike patterson DT, USC tw/ our last #1 its Marcus Spears DE, lsu 2nd picks from trades ben wilkerson C, LSU or michael munoz OT, TEN 3rd rd antwaun rogers CB,purdue he's tall 6'2 180 needs some muscle but we need a tall corner. any other ideas,

11-20-2004, 01:40 PM	#3
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	i don't think you'd get as many picks as you think you'd get (two #1s and 11mill$ salary for an Olineman who's only above average??)... and we can't trade betts, we don't have any other good RBs on the roster... and any reason why you'd want to take on such massive deadcap when a lot of it is easily avoided?

11-20-2004, 04:07 PM	#6
dragontat7169 Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 92	get rid of Betts and Morton?...hmm..ok lets cut 2 of our 3 Kick returners and only be left with Thrash and if he gets hurt then we can use Brunell to run back kicks. Did you actually think your cuts and trades through? I mean a 14 million hit next year would kill us. We have too many holes we would need to fill if we cut everyone in your list. Don't forget that trades also count against the Cap and Betts, Samuels, and Gardner would probably take us above 20 million (just guessing). That would mean we would have to renegotiate everyone elses contract because we could never afford to keep them. And we would lose all of our free agents that we have and probably lose Smoot, Pierce and a few others. I guess your trades and cuts would be ok if we planned on going 0-16 to ensure that we get a first round pick in 2 years, but other than that...I don't see it as economically sound. If I was the GM, I would wait until the end of the season..it is still too soon to look ahead for next year. We don't know what is going to happen. We can hope that Brunell retires..that would be the best thing that could happen. We need to see where we end up for the draft before we even begin to consider who we will get.

11-20-2004, 04:07 PM	#7
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	I would cut Brunell he's not even a viable backup I want to clear out his cap hit as soon as possible, I would compensate it with the trade of Samuels, and whatever I could get for Gardner, WR is not a position we are lacking, and get rid of Morton he's nothing special, my hope would be that either Wilson, or Molinaro would be ready to take over left tackle, but what I would really look into is Jansen's rehab and if he will be back 100%, if so I would look to slide him to the left tackle position which I believe he is more than capable of handling and move Wilson or Molinaro to the right tackle postion, this would offset the hit we would take for cutting Brunell, then we have some extra pick's to work with to fill the backup position at QB and seek line help on both sides of the ball, and add a legitimate kick returner, I much rather have Hasellbach backing up Ramsey than Brunell, Bett's isn't going to net that much in draft pick's or salary cap gain so he really doesn't factor, I would keep him he is a good backup to Portis, Bottom line if I was the GM Brunell wouldn't be here to begin with.

11-20-2004, 05:48 PM	#8
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	I don't even think Samuels would bring back a single #1 in trade. He is more valuable to the Redskins than anything he could bring back. Betts has no value at all. And Gardner would bring no more thana 3rd or 4th rounder. Most teams just don't trade high draft picks for players unless they are at the very top of their position. I don't know if anyone remembers but the Colts only got like a 3rd or 4th round pick for Marshal Faulk when they traded him to the Rams. Basically, unless you are talking about a franchise QB don't expect to see NFL teams tossing around high draft picks...

11-21-2004, 10:11 AM	#9
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	Brunell I think can be rehabilitated as a backup quarterback if we can protect him. We will ask him to renegotiate to take a salary commensurate with backup status and I think he will comply, respectful of what it means to the team. Samuels I hope and believe will resign with a salary that we can handle. We have so many receivers that need playing time that I am beginning to think Rod Gardner is someone I would trade.

11-21-2004, 04:27 PM	#10
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	I keep hearing these rumors about Drew Brees and San Diego not affording BOTH Rivers and Brees and heard that the Redskins were one of the teams mentioned in the rumors......is this duable with our cap situation ?

11-21-2004, 11:48 PM	#11
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	i don't think we'd want brees, he's had ONE decent season (after being in the same sstem for THREE years), and he's going to be overpriced... kitna would be a better option if he's available, but it'd be even better if ramsey proved to be good enough to win games.

11-22-2004, 12:37 AM	#14
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	we wont ever be good unless we do somethin with the players we have... esp. QB. if we havent learned by now that the one-yr quick fix is bullshit then we never will go to the playoffs... ramsey has the talent and shud be our starter next yr. keep bruns on as backup... as far as the others i dont know exactly but we def wont get all those high draft pix

11-22-2004, 02:34 AM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	the problem with buying yourself a QB is they take a while to adjust to a new system... I mentioned kitna only because he'd be a lot cheaper and he actually had a completely new system installed and was able to shine immediately... before then the bengals were always known for complete ineptitude... either way, i think it'd be best to let ramsey grow in one system with the same players instead of risking shell-shock on a vet again... (garcia is the only vet in a new place thats doing any good, but he's still a while away from really fitting in, adjusting himself to the new players, and having the gameplans adjusted to his strengths)

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