Busy Offseason???

SKINSnCANES · 11-20-2004, 10:43 PM

Theres a lot of talk on this board about draft picks and how we are in for another busy off season. Im going to go ahead and disagree with everyone that thinks we are going to be the offseason king again this year. Talent is not the problem on this team, we have tons of talent. We have the least amount of talent on defense, and look how well they are doing. I think what we need is to have the same team next year, and actually have a year of consistency. Yes Brunell is a bust, but we have to hope Ramsey will pan out and be our future. A lot of people talk about our oline needing help, well Jansen will be back next year, Dockery will have two years under his belt, Samuels said he would redo his deal, Thomas is a stud. So what, mabye a new center?

I think the best thing that we could do is to keep our current roster, and any free agent we sign should be for depth. It wouldnt kill us to take a year off of signing huge contracts, it keeps biting us in the ass. Lets let our guys grow together and draft a DE.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 11-20-2004, 10:51 PM

I agree with the sentiments here. From a player's perspective, how much value is there to seeing the same faces, the same guys, as you did last year in camp. One thing that has been talked about on these boards over and over is how important continuity is to developing a winner in DC again. It starts with the coaching staff, but it's also just as important, I think, to keep the players together as much as possible. While there are some players that won't be resigned or cut at the end of the year, I think the most important job the FO will have in the off season is resigning guys like Smoot and re-working Samuels contract.

djnemo65 · 11-20-2004, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Samuels said he would redo his deal

Did he really? Last I heard he said he definately wouldn't, but that was a long time ago. That's great to hear that he's finally open to being more reasonable.

I completely agree with you though, and I think the team is closer then people give it credit for. Let's assume that the defense is as good next year as it is this year (and I think it could be better cos they will be even more familiar with the system, hopefully less injured, and plus we'll add a stud DE in the draft most likely) all the offense has to do is get to a point where they can generate 24-30 a game, and we will be up there with anyone in the league. Moreover, based on the talent we have - and assuming Ramsey works out of course - I think its reasonable not only to hope for, but actually expect that. You are right about the Oline too, which is the weak point this year. Jansen comes back and we get a better center and hey, 13-3 anyone?

Of course, I say this every single november, that all the pieces are in place for next year, and I am consistently wrong. So we'll see.

Daseal · 11-20-2004, 11:03 PM

I think Gibbs will do a loot of weeding out this year, and we have to try to get more guys he likes in. It won't be busy as normal, but busy none the less.

That Guy · 11-20-2004, 11:24 PM

the offseason should be more about depth than anything else... except for our first rounder and possibly 1-2 FA signings (DE, center)

BrudLee · 11-21-2004, 08:40 AM

Samuels kinda said he'd redo his deal. He said he didn't want to redo his deal with the lack of stability in the coaching staff. That isn't the same thing as saying he'll redo his deal this offseason.

Gmanc711 · 11-21-2004, 10:16 AM

The biggest moves we can make in the offseason are no moves at all. We have to lock up the guys on our team now, upgrade a our center, possibly our left gaurd. Draft a few Dlinmen, nothing major. Chemsitry is what this team has been lacking; and I think it could finnally come. Outside of our draft pick, the biggest move we should make is no move at all.

skins009 · 11-21-2004, 10:40 AM

Gmanc711 you are excactly right. I don't claim to be a cap expert, but I know basic math, and 23 million over the cap in two years, means were gonna have to subtract not add. We'll make some signigs for cap purposes and either resign Smoot or extend Samuels deal. We NEED to have a good draft. Because that as we all know is cheap talent.

Daseal · 11-21-2004, 12:36 PM

Busy offseason DOES NOT mean signing huge free-agents. It means a lot of player shuffling, which I feel we'll have.

offiss · 11-21-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Theres a lot of talk on this board about draft picks and how we are in for another busy off season. Im going to go ahead and disagree with everyone that thinks we are going to be the offseason king again this year. Talent is not the problem on this team, we have tons of talent. We have the least amount of talent on defense, and look how well they are doing. I think what we need is to have the same team next year, and actually have a year of consistency. Yes Brunell is a bust, but we have to hope Ramsey will pan out and be our future. A lot of people talk about our oline needing help, well Jansen will be back next year, Dockery will have two years under his belt, Samuels said he would redo his deal, Thomas is a stud. So what, mabye a new center?

I think the best thing that we could do is to keep our current roster, and any free agent we sign should be for depth. It wouldnt kill us to take a year off of signing huge contracts, it keeps biting us in the ass. Lets let our guys grow together and draft a DE.

I don't see us making a big splash this as well SC, I think we may look to deal Gardner for whatever we can get Morton as well, Samuels if he doesn't renegotiate, to help clear cap room and look to the draft for some lightning in a bottle bargain's, I could see us dealing out of the first round with our #1 pick and pick up pick's for this year's draft and next, draft a lot of player's with potential and hope some of them stick, I believe 1 of the most important position's that we should address is kick returner, we have to find a real burner Morton is not IMO a guy I want back there he's to week and goes down with a simple arm tackle the field position we lose compared to the 1 or 2 possible return's he may provide is just not worth it, the only way I keep that #1 is if a bonified pass rusher is avail. other wise I deal and start the wheel's in motion to alleveiate Brunell's signing bonus.

SKINSnCANES · 11-21-2004, 03:54 PM

We could afford to trade Gardner I think. Jacobs is coming on and I still think McCants could be great as well.

monk81 · 11-21-2004, 04:16 PM

There is a couple spots on the offensive line that could use an upgrade via the draft or free agency....how long can Ray Brown play, Docery and Thomas have struggled at times....And we need to look at the draft for D linemen.......I think Joe will evaluate the talent and keep those guys who play hard, have a good work ethic stay late doing film work, desire to win etc. ...might be quieter more of a fine tune..........

MTK · 11-21-2004, 06:56 PM

I think it will be a relatively quiet offseason when compared to some of our previous ones. I think the most work will come in the submarine. Gibbs needs to revamp this passing game.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 07:54 PM

My guess is that, given our remaining schedule and current record, we'll have a top 5 pick. Gibbs will trade down to the middle of the first round (and pick up a 2nd rounder and 4th rounder), draft a D-lineman with our first pick, a O-lineman with our 2nd pick, a center with one of our 2 4th rounders and make 1 or 2 big offseason signings. Also, I don't see Samuels staying here after this year.

Redskins_P · 11-21-2004, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

My guess is that, given our remaining schedule and current record, we'll have a top 5 pick. Gibbs will trade down to the middle of the first round (and pick up a 2nd rounder and 4th rounder), draft a D-lineman with our first pick, a O-lineman with our 2nd pick, a center with one of our 2 4th rounders and make 1 or 2 big offseason signings. Also, I don't see Samuels staying here after this year.

Not only Samuels, but I think we can add Gardner to that list. Why is he so inconsistent?

11-21-2004, 08:40 AM	#6
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Samuels kinda said he'd redo his deal. He said he didn't want to redo his deal with the lack of stability in the coaching staff. That isn't the same thing as saying he'll redo his deal this offseason. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

11-21-2004, 10:16 AM	#7
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	The biggest moves we can make in the offseason are no moves at all. We have to lock up the guys on our team now, upgrade a our center, possibly our left gaurd. Draft a few Dlinmen, nothing major. Chemsitry is what this team has been lacking; and I think it could finnally come. Outside of our draft pick, the biggest move we should make is no move at all. __________________ #21

11-21-2004, 03:54 PM	#11
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	We could afford to trade Gardner I think. Jacobs is coming on and I still think McCants could be great as well. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

11-20-2004, 10:43 PM	#1
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	Busy Offseason??? Theres a lot of talk on this board about draft picks and how we are in for another busy off season. Im going to go ahead and disagree with everyone that thinks we are going to be the offseason king again this year. Talent is not the problem on this team, we have tons of talent. We have the least amount of talent on defense, and look how well they are doing. I think what we need is to have the same team next year, and actually have a year of consistency. Yes Brunell is a bust, but we have to hope Ramsey will pan out and be our future. A lot of people talk about our oline needing help, well Jansen will be back next year, Dockery will have two years under his belt, Samuels said he would redo his deal, Thomas is a stud. So what, mabye a new center? I think the best thing that we could do is to keep our current roster, and any free agent we sign should be for depth. It wouldnt kill us to take a year off of signing huge contracts, it keeps biting us in the ass. Lets let our guys grow together and draft a DE. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

11-20-2004, 10:51 PM	#2
LongTimeSkinsFan Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: LaVale MD Age: 63 Posts: 515	I agree with the sentiments here. From a player's perspective, how much value is there to seeing the same faces, the same guys, as you did last year in camp. One thing that has been talked about on these boards over and over is how important continuity is to developing a winner in DC again. It starts with the coaching staff, but it's also just as important, I think, to keep the players together as much as possible. While there are some players that won't be resigned or cut at the end of the year, I think the most important job the FO will have in the off season is resigning guys like Smoot and re-working Samuels contract.

11-20-2004, 11:03 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	I think Gibbs will do a loot of weeding out this year, and we have to try to get more guys he likes in. It won't be busy as normal, but busy none the less.

11-20-2004, 11:24 PM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	the offseason should be more about depth than anything else... except for our first rounder and possibly 1-2 FA signings (DE, center)

11-21-2004, 10:40 AM	#8
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Gmanc711 you are excactly right. I don't claim to be a cap expert, but I know basic math, and 23 million over the cap in two years, means were gonna have to subtract not add. We'll make some signigs for cap purposes and either resign Smoot or extend Samuels deal. We NEED to have a good draft. Because that as we all know is cheap talent.

11-21-2004, 12:36 PM	#9
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Busy offseason DOES NOT mean signing huge free-agents. It means a lot of player shuffling, which I feel we'll have.

11-21-2004, 04:16 PM	#12
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	There is a couple spots on the offensive line that could use an upgrade via the draft or free agency....how long can Ray Brown play, Docery and Thomas have struggled at times....And we need to look at the draft for D linemen.......I think Joe will evaluate the talent and keep those guys who play hard, have a good work ethic stay late doing film work, desire to win etc. ...might be quieter more of a fine tune..........

11-21-2004, 06:56 PM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	I think it will be a relatively quiet offseason when compared to some of our previous ones. I think the most work will come in the submarine. Gibbs needs to revamp this passing game.

11-21-2004, 07:54 PM	#14
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	My guess is that, given our remaining schedule and current record, we'll have a top 5 pick. Gibbs will trade down to the middle of the first round (and pick up a 2nd rounder and 4th rounder), draft a D-lineman with our first pick, a O-lineman with our 2nd pick, a center with one of our 2 4th rounders and make 1 or 2 big offseason signings. Also, I don't see Samuels staying here after this year.

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