The Texans should be the best

skinster · 10-20-2010, 10:49 AM

I'm sorry I know how random this thread is, so stop reading if you don't care about the Texans. I was looking at the depth chart of the teams, and the Texans really stood out to me. I feel as if they have drafted amazing recently, they have a great offense with EVERY starter on the right side of 30, they have an elite pass rusher in Mario Williams, they have an inside presence in in Amobi Okoye. Both Williams and Okoye have respectable complements in Smith and Cody. And, they have two pro-bowl linebackers in Cushing and Ryans. Every level of their team so far is great...with the one glaring whole of the secondary, which is atrocious.

In the off-season, they had zero free agent-contracts given out to any position AND they let their only good cover corner walk in Robinson. In my mind they would be the most complete team in the NFL right now if they had at least a respectable secondary. Re-signing Robinson and getting a respectable safety in someone such as Hamlin, and I think that they would have the best roster in the NFL.

Pre-season, Green Bay (and arguably the jets, but I'm not drinking the Sanchez cool-aid yet) would have been the only teams to even be able to compete to the all around talent of the Texans. I find no reason as to why the Texans would leave such a large whole on an otherwise complete team, and I am absolutely dumbfounded as to why they did this.

Edit: Add the Ravens and Pats (pre- Warren injury) to the teams that could compete with the completeness of the Texans pre-season roster.
P.s. I know the title is misleading, but I do not mean the best team in the NFL, just the most complete roster...which in a sense is the best team in my mind.
Second Edit: I just realized how confusing my message is. I mean to say they WOULD be the best if they improved their secondary.

SmootSmack · 10-20-2010, 11:03 AM

I wouldn't necessarily say they should be the best. They're certainly putting together strong talent, but they've been hovering around average for quite a while now. It's long overdue for them to take that next step. Tough division to do it in though.

Skinster, small suggestion, break your posts into paragraphs. Would be much easier to read

KLHJ2 · 10-20-2010, 11:06 AM

On the whole there is a hole in your theory. I cannot put my finger on it though.

firstdown · 10-20-2010, 11:08 AM

People said the same thing about Dallas. Maybe its a Texas thing.

skinsfaninok · 10-20-2010, 11:13 AM

Texans Defense is Garbage, if you talk down about our D than what's that say about Houston's? They give up 28 PPG, and are 31st in total D.

Yea we are 32nd but we only give up 20PPG. Also we have had some great Defensive games ... 7, 12, 13 given up to 3 Really good offenses.

SirClintonPortis · 10-20-2010, 03:32 PM

Never praise a player who has used roids(Cushing)

skinster · 10-20-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Never praise a player who has used roids(Cushing)

If your as good as he was on roids, he's gotta at least be decent off them.

rbanerjee23 · 10-20-2010, 06:10 PM

It's about so much more than the talent on your roster -- things like chemistry, coaching, atmosphere, mindset etc. really matter. Gary Kubiak isn't one of the better coaches in the league (IMO) and the rest are also tough to measure.

That's why teams come out of nowhere because all the intangibles line up and you can have all the players but if the intangibles aren't there, you're going to suffer (see Dallas).

skinster · 10-20-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

It's about so much more than the talent on your roster -- things like chemistry, coaching, atmosphere, mindset etc. really matter. Gary Kubiak isn't one of the better coaches in the league (IMO) and the rest are also tough to measure.

That's why teams come out of nowhere because all the intangibles line up and you can have all the players but if the intangibles aren't there, you're going to suffer (see Dallas).

I see what you are saying, and I completely agree. I know my post is very long so I don't expect all of it to be read, but I did cover this when I said that my title is confusing and I mean to say that they would have the most complete team talent wise, not necessarily be the "top dogs."

I just see so much unharnessed potential on the Texans. I think it is incredible that all of their offensive starters on their great offense are all 29 and under, and they have their 5 best defensive players (Amobi Okoye, Demeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, Kareem Jackson----yes I know that last one is tbd) all 26 and under.

In my mind they could have been a force to be reckoned with for years to come if they fixed their secondary last offseason. In my mind the unharnessed potential comes mainly from the terrible secondary play. Of course the intangibles of chemistry and coaching are significant factors as well, but I just think that those issues are good enough that they be elite for many years if they just fixed their secondary.

SirClintonPortis · 10-20-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

If your as good as he was on roids, he's gotta at least be decent off them.

Decent as who, Merriman? lol. RockyMac? It doesn't matter, he's not a Pro Bowler without those roids.

skinster · 10-20-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Decent as who, Merriman? lol. RockyMac? It doesn't matter, he's not a Pro Bowler without those roids.

Merriman has a busted knee that he never recovered from, it happens to tons of players (i.e. Lavaar). Rocky is def a solid starter, so yea at least as good as rocky. And I wouldn't count him out as still being great. He's looked pretty good so far this year.

mooby · 10-21-2010, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by skinster

If your as good as he was on roids, he's gotta at least be decent off them.

They said the same thing about Shawne Merriman. And once he was off roids, he had that one good season in '07 then he fell completely off the wagon. Part of that is injury but I mean when you go from having 35+ sacks in 3 seasons to being completely destroyed from injuries and your team is planning on releasing you as soon as you get healthy that's a major fall, and most people don't think it's just coincidence after he got busted with that steroids test that he was never the same. And most people don't know this but the NFL doesn't suspend until you've had at least 2 positive tests. The first is a warning but the second is a minimum 4 game suspension.

Kindoy · 10-21-2010, 04:28 PM

speaking specifically on this year, they wouldnt be with Ryans out now... he's a HUGE part of what they try to do on defense.

i like Schaub a lot, but i dont see him doing anything special in the post-season.

with time, chemistry, and a draft or two they will be scary. like you said they are at a good average age and all they have left as far as needs go is to draft DB's. maybe a few upgrades here and there but they definately have a lot of potential.

they're like the OKC Thunder of the NFL.

mlmpetert · 10-22-2010, 01:02 PM

Speaking of the almost best teams in the 2010 NFL:

Proof that the 2010 Chargers are insane | ProFootballTalk.com

The Chargers are ranked first in offense (yards), first in defense, and yet they are 2-4.

This, clearly, is insane. Not posting UFL scores at 5 AM insane, but close.

In a article for the Wall St. Journal Friday, MDS puts the whole thing in perspective. It's even more rare and odder than you'd imagine. Since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger, there have been only eight teams that ranked first in offense and defense at the same time during any point of the season, for a total of 18 weeks of action.

The combined record of those eight teams at the time they were ranked first in offense and defense: 62-7. I'm not sure what this all means exactly, other than San Diego's special teams coach is lucky to still have a job.

10-20-2010, 10:49 AM	#1
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	The Texans should be the best I'm sorry I know how random this thread is, so stop reading if you don't care about the Texans. I was looking at the depth chart of the teams, and the Texans really stood out to me. I feel as if they have drafted amazing recently, they have a great offense with EVERY starter on the right side of 30, they have an elite pass rusher in Mario Williams, they have an inside presence in in Amobi Okoye. Both Williams and Okoye have respectable complements in Smith and Cody. And, they have two pro-bowl linebackers in Cushing and Ryans. Every level of their team so far is great...with the one glaring whole of the secondary, which is atrocious. In the off-season, they had zero free agent-contracts given out to any position AND they let their only good cover corner walk in Robinson. In my mind they would be the most complete team in the NFL right now if they had at least a respectable secondary. Re-signing Robinson and getting a respectable safety in someone such as Hamlin, and I think that they would have the best roster in the NFL. Pre-season, Green Bay (and arguably the jets, but I'm not drinking the Sanchez cool-aid yet) would have been the only teams to even be able to compete to the all around talent of the Texans. I find no reason as to why the Texans would leave such a large whole on an otherwise complete team, and I am absolutely dumbfounded as to why they did this. Edit: Add the Ravens and Pats (pre- Warren injury) to the teams that could compete with the completeness of the Texans pre-season roster. P.s. I know the title is misleading, but I do not mean the best team in the NFL, just the most complete roster...which in a sense is the best team in my mind. Second Edit: I just realized how confusing my message is. I mean to say they WOULD be the best if they improved their secondary. Last edited by skinster; 10-20-2010 at 11:30 AM.

10-20-2010, 11:03 AM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: The Texans should be the best I wouldn't necessarily say they should be the best. They're certainly putting together strong talent, but they've been hovering around average for quite a while now. It's long overdue for them to take that next step. Tough division to do it in though. Skinster, small suggestion, break your posts into paragraphs. Would be much easier to read __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-20-2010, 11:06 AM	#3
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 47 Posts: 5,829	Re: The Texans should be the best On the whole there is a hole in your theory. I cannot put my finger on it though.

10-20-2010, 11:08 AM	#4
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: The Texans should be the best People said the same thing about Dallas. Maybe its a Texas thing.

10-20-2010, 11:13 AM	#5
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,177	Re: The Texans should be the best Texans Defense is Garbage, if you talk down about our D than what's that say about Houston's? They give up 28 PPG, and are 31st in total D. Yea we are 32nd but we only give up 20PPG. Also we have had some great Defensive games ... 7, 12, 13 given up to 3 Really good offenses. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

10-20-2010, 03:32 PM	#6
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: The Texans should be the best Never praise a player who has used roids(Cushing) __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

10-20-2010, 06:10 PM	#8
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: The Texans should be the best It's about so much more than the talent on your roster -- things like chemistry, coaching, atmosphere, mindset etc. really matter. Gary Kubiak isn't one of the better coaches in the league (IMO) and the rest are also tough to measure. That's why teams come out of nowhere because all the intangibles line up and you can have all the players but if the intangibles aren't there, you're going to suffer (see Dallas). __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

10-21-2010, 04:28 PM	#13
Kindoy The Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 1,013	Re: The Texans should be the best speaking specifically on this year, they wouldnt be with Ryans out now... he's a HUGE part of what they try to do on defense. i like Schaub a lot, but i dont see him doing anything special in the post-season. with time, chemistry, and a draft or two they will be scary. like you said they are at a good average age and all they have left as far as needs go is to draft DB's. maybe a few upgrades here and there but they definately have a lot of potential. they're like the OKC Thunder of the NFL. __________________ RIP 21

10-22-2010, 01:02 PM	#14
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: The Texans should be the best Speaking of the almost best teams in the 2010 NFL: Proof that the 2010 Chargers are insane \| ProFootballTalk.com The Chargers are ranked first in offense (yards), first in defense, and yet they are 2-4. This, clearly, is insane. Not posting UFL scores at 5 AM insane, but close. In a article for the Wall St. Journal Friday, MDS puts the whole thing in perspective. It's even more rare and odder than you'd imagine. Since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger, there have been only eight teams that ranked first in offense and defense at the same time during any point of the season, for a total of 18 weeks of action. The combined record of those eight teams at the time they were ranked first in offense and defense: 62-7. I'm not sure what this all means exactly, other than San Diego's special teams coach is lucky to still have a job. __________________ www.NRABannedGunsRaffle.org

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