Huge FA Class in 2011 - But will anyone want to come here?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

With Snyderatto not running things anymore, the Redskins are no longer a place to go to get paid, so the greedy moneygrubbers wont want to come here (which is good). But what about the hard working, blue-collar players we want the skins to go after - why would they choose to come here?

McNabb is one of the most beloved players in the league - and the Shanahans completely humiliated him. I dont think free agents will want to come here because they fear Shanahan could do the same to them.

What do you guys think?

[MTK]

I think the McNabb thing is a bit overblown. People know that Shanahan has won a lot of games in this league doing things his way. If you perform you've got nothing to worry about. Can we sit here today and really say that DM was performing at a high level? Anyone?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the McNabb thing is a bit overblown. People know that Shanahan has won a lot of games in this league doing things his way. If you perform you've got nothing to worry about. Can we sit here today and really say that DM was performing at a high level? Anyone?

DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 44ever

DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.

I'd say yes. This team was coming off a 4 win season against a ridiculously easy schedule. Yet they were able to pull off 6 wins and would have had about 8 had they not had to deal with kicking troubles. A new defense and a new offense yet with the exception of the Giants and Eagles they were able to play hard week in and week out. So maybe not a high level yet, but personally I like the direction the team is headed.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44ever

DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.

DM had a significant hand in deflating his own value. Were Shanahan's expectations so incredibly high? I mean we're talking about a QB with more INTs than TDs and a 77 rating. Once the team was mathematically eliminated, he shut him down to evaluate Rex.

The benching in Detroit was mishandled, but the drama over sitting him down with 3 games to go is just nonsense, and ultimately the whole DM saga will not be any factor whatsoever in bringing in free agents in 2011.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

DM had a significant hand in deflating his own value. Were Shanahan's expectations so incredibly high? I mean we're talking about a QB with more INTs than TDs and a 77 rating. Once the team was mathematically eliminated, he shut him down to evaluate Rex.

The benching in Detroit was mishandled, but the drama over sitting him down with 3 games to go is just nonsense, and ultimately the whole DM saga will not be any factor whatsoever in bringing in free agents in 2011.

He even admitted the fact he could have been more forthcoming about the situation in Detroit but, as far as all the talk about disrespect, I just don't get it.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 44ever

DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.

I think it all depends on which Shanahan your talking about and what your expectations were?

When Mike Shanahan was hired everyone "assumed" he would install his running game and this team would be back in the play offs. Instead I personally think Mike realized he does not have the personel to run his "running scheme" and relied more on his son and the passing attack he brings to the table. Remember our OL is not good and he most likely realized it figuring they wouldn't create too many holes for the RB's. He had to have known by preseasons end.

So if your evaluating MS based on how well the team performed then no MS didn't "seem" to have done a good job, but he was not dealt a good hand either. I actually commend MS for the way he handled the players. We needed a tough HC to come in and not take any crap from the owner, or the prima dona players with their lazy attitudes and expectation of playing time. As long as all the players are treated equally then no one can complain. Haynesworth didn't want to participate from the beginning, it showed, and when he did show he thought he could either bully his way into playing the position he wanted to play only or become a problem. He got his wish... he was the problem. I'm not saying he's not a good player just saying sometimes players need to do whats asked of them. Thats what a "team player" is all about.

McNabb's benching I also don't have a problem with. If you take a moment and think back although McNabb was "better" then Campbell, he seemed to have his issues also. The very issue's for which I was against picking up McNabb and voiced those issues when the team did pick him up. Heck in Sept I had a co worker to is an Eagles fan telling the same issues and was glad the Eagles had gotten rid of McNabb.

It's pretty bad when you a fan and want the team to dump your HOF/ starting QB for an unknown but that also should have been a red flag to our organization. McNabb was slow into and out of the huddle, took too much time looking over the defense giving the defense time to adjust to the formation, either over threw players or threw dirt balls, and lastly is not a 2 min drill type of QB. He's definitly awesome with 4-5 min. left on the clock for a come back but leave him with 2 min. or less and he's just too slow and methodical.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think it all depends on which Shanahan your talking about and what your expectations were?

When Mike Shanahan was hired everyone "assumed" he would install his running game and this team would be back in the play offs. Instead I personally think Mike realized he does not have the personel to run his "running scheme" and relied more on his son and the passing attack he brings to the table. Remember our OL is not good and he most likely realized it figuring they wouldn't create too many holes for the RB's. He had to have known by preseasons end.

So if your evaluating MS based on how well the team performed then no MS didn't "seem" to have done a good job, but he was not dealt a good hand either. I actually commend MS for the way he handled the players. We needed a tough HC to come in and not take any crap from the owner, or the prima dona players with their lazy attitudes and expectation of playing time. As long as all the players are treated equally then no one can complain. Haynesworth didn't want to participate from the beginning, it showed, and when he did show he thought he could either bully his way into playing the position he wanted to play only or become a problem. He got his wish... he was the problem. I'm not saying he's not a good player just saying sometimes players need to do whats asked of them. Thats what a "team player" is all about.

McNabb's benching I also don't have a problem with. If you take a moment and think back although McNabb was "better" then Campbell, he seemed to have his issues also. The very issue's for which I was against picking up McNabb and voiced those issues when the team did pick him up. Heck in Sept I had a co worker to is an Eagles fan telling the same issues and was glad the Eagles had gotten rid of McNabb.

It's pretty bad when you a fan and want the team to dump your HOF/ starting QB for an unknown but that also should have been a red flag to our organization. McNabb was slow into and out of the huddle, took too much time looking over the defense giving the defense time to adjust to the formation, either over threw players or threw dirt balls, and lastly is not a 2 min drill type of QB. He's definitly awesome with 4-5 min. left on the clock for a come back but leave him with 2 min. or less and he's just too slow and methodical.

I have no problem with the benching so much the way it was handled. If I was a player I would have a hard time respecting somebody who would let me find out I was demoted in the newspaper instead of talking to me first.

I never really followed Shanahan's career, but this was a tumultuous first season and at times I felt that the ship was rudderless. I agree with you that he realized that we didn't have the personnel to run his scheme, but I have to question his vetting process in trading for McNabb and giving up two picks in this years draft. I hope that in the offseason he will be able to reevaluate the talent we have and somehow remove the defeatist mentality I feel the team has.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I have no problem with the benching so much the way it was handled. If I was a player I would have a hard time respecting somebody who would let me find out I was demoted in the newspaper instead of talking to me first.

I never really followed Shanahan's career, but this was a tumultuous first season and at times I felt that the ship was rudderless. I agree with you that he realized that we didn't have the personnel to run his scheme, but I have to question his vetting process in trading for McNabb and giving up two picks in this years draft. I hope that in the offseason he will be able to reevaluate the talent we have and somehow remove the defeatist mentality I feel the team has.

Well here's the deal, IF it is true Shanahan really didn't tell McNabb until late in the week, then indeed was unprofessional. BUT, McNabb could be just stirring up stuff by making this stuff up for whatever reason (make people feel sorry for him?).

I'm not saying that McNabb actually did so, but it is a possibility. Either way, there's no way for us fans to really know what's going on here. Both of them have strained my trust, although other of course will have their own reactions.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the McNabb thing is a bit overblown. People know that Shanahan has won a lot of games in this league doing things his way. If you perform you've got nothing to worry about. Can we sit here today and really say that DM was performing at a high level? Anyone?

If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before, with a rookie left tackle, awful offensive line and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when things got tough this season and shit hit the fan, Shanahan showed very little loyalty and publicly shouldered very little, if any of the blame. He kept quiet and allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when thigs got tough Shanahan showed very little loyalty to his players and in this case allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.

I think the press fed itself more than Shanahan did with regards to Haynesworth. When Al Golic can pass the damn conditioning test while AH is not, that's sure damn laughable.

Shanahan did admit to goofing up the first benching though.

Regardless of our talent deficiencies and his learning curve, McNabb has not been that great without his wheels. He's great at throwing bombs and throwing screens, but woefully inconsistent in the short passing game. He's been that way even in Philly.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before, with a rookie left tackle, awful offensive line and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when things got tough this season and shit hit the fan, Shanahan showed very little loyalty and publicly shoulder very litytle if any of the blame. He kept quiet and allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.

Ok, chalk you up in the McNabb sympathizer catagory. But this is exactly what I'm saying. I went to another site and they had a "Should we sign Payton Manning" thread. lol. I wrote why would we go out and pick up another old QB, bring him in to learn a whole new system for which he will only know part of by the start of the season, and end up complaining about his performance because he either didn't grasp it all or simply did a poor job. But the same could be said about drafting a QB. Whoever we bring in will have to learn the plays, play calls, and be comfortable in it. The rest of the team will be in year 2 of the system so they should know it better but the QB won't. Now if we keep McNabb he should have a better understanding of the system and should play better. However McNabb still has his issues of throwing over recievers and throwing dirt balls. He's not as mobile as he used to be as we saw this year and he's not the best QB during the last 2 min. of a game. But thats how he's always been. Ask any Eagles fan.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, chalk you up in the McNabb sympathizer catagory. But this is exactly what I'm saying. I went to another site and they had a "Should we sign Payton Manning" thread. lol. I wrote why would we go out and pick up another old QB, bring him in to learn a whole new system for which he will only know part of by the start of the season, and end up complaining about his performance because he either didn't grasp it all or simply did a poor job. But the same could be said about drafting a QB. Whoever we bring in will have to learn the plays, play calls, and be comfortable in it. The rest of the team will be in year 2 of the system so they should know it better but the QB won't. Now if we keep McNabb he should have a better understanding of the system and should play better. However McNabb still has his issues of throwing over recievers and throwing dirt balls. He's not as mobile as he used to be as we saw this year and he's not the best QB during the last 2 min. of a game. But thats how he's always been. Ask any Eagles fan.

I am not really a sympathizer to either McNabb or AH. I am more disappointed in the way it was handled. Now AH and McNabb's trade value is almost zero, because all of the teams know we do want them or feel they are any value to us.
I am also pissed by the way news filters out of Redskins park under Shanahan in form of constant press leaks. It seems like amateur hour the way Shanahan has handled players in the press.

[SolidSnake84]

People do forget too that Andy Reid had decided he was better off without McNabb. That should have told people something, but it didn't.

But Props to Shanahan for doing things his way. Mcnabb wasn't working out, so Shanahan benched him. No other coach in DC would do something like that, we would just have to suffer through that players contract because they were the highest paid...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

With Snyderatto not running things anymore, the Redskins are no longer a place to go to get paid, so the greedy moneygrubbers wont want to come here (which is good). But what about the hard working, blue-collar players we want the skins to go after - why would they choose to come here?

McNabb is one of the most beloved players in the league - and the Shanahans completely humiliated him. I dont think free agents will want to come here because they fear Shanahan could do the same to them.

What do you guys think?

I think DM humiliated himself with his poor play.