Rock out with your Lockout

RobH4413 · 01-17-2011, 04:07 PM

The National Football League Players Association (NFLPA) is declaring tomorrow (Tuesday January 18th, 2011) as "Let Us Play Day" to heighten awareness that if a new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) is not in place by the spring, the owners are planning to lock-out the players, putting the 2011 NFL season in jeopardy.

If you're not familiar with the dynamics of the current lockout situation, there is a good read up HERE.

If you'd like to support the players, Sign the petition!

firstdown · 01-17-2011, 04:19 PM

Where can we vote for owners?

Dirtbag59 · 01-17-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Where can we vote for owners?

Usually I find unions to be tedious and troublesome but the owners are terrible in this case. The fact that the owners and Commissioner Goodell have been talking about fans are "excited" about the prospect of an 18 game season despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary really has gotten under my skin.

Skinny Tee · 01-17-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Usually I find unions to be tedious and troublesome but the owners are terrible in this case. The fact that the owners and Commissioner Goodell have been talking about fans are "excited" about the prospect of an 18 game season despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary really has gotten under my skin.

Another thing that is funny about that is he cites "all fans are excited about the possiblity of an 18 game season", meanwhile I haven't heard ANYONE I talk to that would like in the least.

What I have heard overwhelming fan support for is the ability for players to celebrate without fear of a sensitive penalty in the endzone after a touchdown.

So when is Goodell listening to fan support, when it is only in the best interest of the NFL?...Go screw Goodell and quit citing supposed fan support as sincere motives of the NFL.

Fans would have wanted the Vikings vs. Eagles game played in an all out blizzard and not played on a Tuesday night just so the NFL could buy another night in which it was the leading rated thing on television.

Chico23231 · 01-18-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Where can we vote for owners?

lolololol....FD I wont see you down in the players picket lines? I took you for a union man.

CRedskinsRule · 01-17-2011, 04:27 PM

Where can we let both parties know that we don't support either side over the other, and they need all need to get their collective b**** a**es to the table and work out a deal.

Seriously, stupid idiots trying to play fan support against each other. I have no interest in who gets more money, I just want to watch football.

Schneed10 · 01-17-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Where can we let both parties know that we don't support either side over the other, and they need all need to get their collective b**** a**es to the table and work out a deal.

Seriously, stupid idiots trying to play fan support against each other. I have no interest in who gets more money, I just want to watch football.

Brilliant.

I'd also like to vote for a cap-less NFL and Sunday Ticket being offered by all cable providers. Where can I sign that petition?

SirClintonPortis · 01-17-2011, 04:33 PM

I agree with everything said by CRedskinsRule. **** them all.

Defensewins · 01-17-2011, 04:48 PM

The NBA and the NFL might have a lock out next fall. If both have a lock out at the same time, the US economy could take a hit.
All of the people out of work and the revenue the local economies count on from these games could send us into another recession. Playing with fire.
I do not claim to know all of the details on any of the sides, but I am very against expanding the NFL schedule. That is stupid. Why does the NFL insist on messing with a good thing? Greed!

SkinzWin · 01-17-2011, 04:49 PM

Owners and players make way more money than they should now as it is. Why don't we move the NFL in the direction of the financial markets and allow us to get kick backs, "dividends", since we are the force that lines their pockets with green in the first place? That is the petition I want to sign. Until the day we have meaningful jobs like teachers, police officers and firemen get paid the same as these overpaid athletes, I will not be happy. I work just as hard as these guys who get to have fun for a minuscule percentage of their salary. Wait, am I sounding a tad bit bitter? Oops....

RobH4413 · 01-17-2011, 05:16 PM

The owners are the ones who have opted out of the current CBA agreement. They voted to opt out 2 years early.

I'm siding with the players because I feel that the owners have dug themselves into their own hole. The owners want to keep the same percentage of sharing, but decrease what qualifies as sharable revenue with the players. The players take the biggest health risk by playing the game, and should be compensated fairly... It's up to everyone to figure out what, "fairly" is.

Daseal · 01-17-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Owners and players make way more money than they should now as it is. Why don't we move the NFL in the direction of the financial markets and allow us to get kick backs, "dividends", since we are the force that lines their pockets with green in the first place? That is the petition I want to sign. Until the day we have meaningful jobs like teachers, police officers and firemen get paid the same as these overpaid athletes, I will not be happy. I work just as hard as these guys who get to have fun for a minuscule percentage of their salary. Wait, am I sounding a tad bit bitter? Oops....

I hate this argument. Let's really step back and look at this. Anyone can be a cop or a firefighter. Most people on this board could study/train for a year and become a cop or fireman. None of us could become world class athletes. What these players have are special skills that they hone, either for free or pay [tuition, equipment costs, etc], until the age of 20-21ish. Then they are given a very short career span to make money. Their routine work day includes far more violence and danger than the typical cop and fireman as well. I'm not saying service people don't face danger, but I'm arguing over the course of a week, a football player has a far higher risk of being seriously injured. Most of these guys get a short amount of time in the NFL, it's important they're well compensated.

RobH4413 · 01-17-2011, 07:21 PM

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Paintrain · 01-19-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I hate this argument. Let's really step back and look at this. Anyone can be a cop or a firefighter. Most people on this board could study/train for a year and become a cop or fireman. None of us could become world class athletes. What these players have are special skills that they hone, either for free or pay [tuition, equipment costs, etc], until the age of 20-21ish. Then they are given a very short career span to make money. Their routine work day includes far more violence and danger than the typical cop and fireman as well. I'm not saying service people don't face danger, but I'm arguing over the course of a week, a football player has a far higher risk of being seriously injured. Most of these guys get a short amount of time in the NFL, it's important they're well compensated.

THIS, THIS and THIS!! Thank you for spelling it out.. Nothing infuriates me more than the 'teachers, fire fighters and ditch diggers don't get paid this much' argument as if athletes should apologize for their salaries. Wah, wah, wah.. These guys are in the top 1% in the WORLD of those with similar skill sets. There's a reason why elite artists, actors, businessmen and athletes get paid the amount they do. I hate that argument with a passion..

Now, on the topic of this dispute, I side 100% with the players. The owners exercised the option to void the CBA, causing this scenario. With record ratings (although lower attendance figures) it would be beyond moronic for the NFLPA and owners to allow a lockout to proceed past the draft. I doubt it will go that far though because teams need a full offseason to incorporate free agency and drafting into their 2011 plans.

A couple of things/signs are working in favor of a short work stoppage:
-The amount of coaching turnover. Outside of Carolina, all of the owners who made coaching changes will be paying a portion of their fired coaches salaries. If there is a lockout in place into the season, they would be paying a former coach as well as a current coach with no revenue coming in. A few analysts indicated the coaching carousel would be a sign of the owners intent going into the offseason. High turnover would be a good indicator of a short stoppage, low turnover would mean they were locked in for the long haul.
-The large FA class. This is supposed to be the biggest and deepest FA class since free agency began since it's basically 2 years worth of players on the market. The players aren't stupid. They know that the longer the offseason lockout exists, the shorter the FA period and the shorter the dollars will be as well. In addition, the possibility exists of an extension of 2010 terms on all expiring contracts which means hundreds of unhappy players. The NFLPA wants no parts of that either so they will be motivated to make a deal.

Expect a deal around Easter, in time for abbreviated FA before the draft and much more activity afterwards.

FRPLG · 01-21-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I hate this argument. Let's really step back and look at this. Anyone can be a cop or a firefighter. Most people on this board could study/train for a year and become a cop or fireman. None of us could become world class athletes. What these players have are special skills that they hone, either for free or pay [tuition, equipment costs, etc], until the age of 20-21ish. Then they are given a very short career span to make money. Their routine work day includes far more violence and danger than the typical cop and fireman as well. I'm not saying service people don't face danger, but I'm arguing over the course of a week, a football player has a far higher risk of being seriously injured. Most of these guys get a short amount of time in the NFL, it's important they're well compensated.

Halle-freaking-lujah

I tire of this argument too. The commerce of our country and (increasingly in the rest of the world) is governed by freedom. In a free market, products and services of value are paid at the level at which they are available (scarcity). Professional athletes are amongst the most scarce commodities anywhere. You don't have to like it but it is the system by which you yourself gain a great amount of benefit.

The common misconception is that people get paid to do their job based on how "important" society deems it. That couldn't really be any further from the truth. It's a function of value and scarcity. And where there is little scarcity (teachers) there is little pay no matter how much society values the work they do.

I appreciate what teachers do (as an example) and I have many friends/acquaintances who do it. A few complain about pay some. I always ask why so many people teach if the pay isn't good enough. They never have a real answer.

01-17-2011, 04:07 PM	#1
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 40 Posts: 2,638	Rock out with your Lockout The National Football League Players Association (NFLPA) is declaring tomorrow (Tuesday January 18th, 2011) as "Let Us Play Day" to heighten awareness that if a new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) is not in place by the spring, the owners are planning to lock-out the players, putting the 2011 NFL season in jeopardy. If you're not familiar with the dynamics of the current lockout situation, there is a good read up HERE. If you'd like to support the players, Sign the petition! __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps! Last edited by RobH4413; 01-17-2011 at 06:57 PM.

01-17-2011, 04:19 PM	#2
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Rock out with your Lockout Where can we vote for owners?

01-17-2011, 04:27 PM	#6
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,698	Re: Rock out with your Lockout Where can we let both parties know that we don't support either side over the other, and they need all need to get their collective b** aes to the table and work out a deal. Seriously, stupid idiots trying to play fan support against each other. I have no interest in who gets more money, I just want to watch football.

01-17-2011, 04:33 PM	#8
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Rock out with your Lockout I agree with everything said by CRedskinsRule. **** them all. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

01-17-2011, 04:48 PM	#9
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: Rock out with your Lockout The NBA and the NFL might have a lock out next fall. If both have a lock out at the same time, the US economy could take a hit. All of the people out of work and the revenue the local economies count on from these games could send us into another recession. Playing with fire. I do not claim to know all of the details on any of the sides, but I am very against expanding the NFL schedule. That is stupid. Why does the NFL insist on messing with a good thing? Greed!

01-17-2011, 04:49 PM	#10
SkinzWin Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,543	Re: Rock out with your Lockout Owners and players make way more money than they should now as it is. Why don't we move the NFL in the direction of the financial markets and allow us to get kick backs, "dividends", since we are the force that lines their pockets with green in the first place? That is the petition I want to sign. Until the day we have meaningful jobs like teachers, police officers and firemen get paid the same as these overpaid athletes, I will not be happy. I work just as hard as these guys who get to have fun for a minuscule percentage of their salary. Wait, am I sounding a tad bit bitter? Oops.... __________________ Sean Taylor #21 a Redskin forever... Team Heinicke Fan Club punch it in - CEO SkinzWin - President FrenchSkin - VP of Global Operations ODUsmitty - Director of Cheerleader Fulfillment Meks - Director of Marketing

01-17-2011, 05:16 PM	#11
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 40 Posts: 2,638	Re: Rock out with your Lockout The owners are the ones who have opted out of the current CBA agreement. They voted to opt out 2 years early. I'm siding with the players because I feel that the owners have dug themselves into their own hole. The owners want to keep the same percentage of sharing, but decrease what qualifies as sharable revenue with the players. The players take the biggest health risk by playing the game, and should be compensated fairly... It's up to everyone to figure out what, "fairly" is. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

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